For what its worth, I shall throw my responsives here too. Honestly, Most! Mozilla products out there, not just FX and TB, do not have any, or very little support at all, with WE, doesn't matter the version of a Mozilla product or WE used. In fact, here below, is a list of all known Mozilla based applications, discontinued or not, which you'd think WE would work with!
https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/about/mozilla-based/ Chatzilla and Instantbird, are two that come to mind, which WE does not work with, do to how WE browse mode works. NVDA works with just about all of them! without much problems, or no problems at all. I'm sure some of you will disagree with this idea, but why not, for the next 2 minor versions of WE, get the browse mode complete at least, fix the Foobar 2000 support, have someone at GW or someone elsewhere make an app for Chrome so at least its usable, and Window-Eyes doesn't crash it! Speaking of browse mode, where's the seperator command that was gonna be in browse mode in version 8 somewhere in WE? Its still not here! The next thing I would like to see for version 8, is have that double press feature of control-shift-w, also be transfered to the mouse keys, which would help the Virtual viewer app be even more useful! And finally, I wish more apps were being made right now, even concept ones! As I said, one for Foobar, one for Instantbird, one for VLC. If I was a programmer, I'd be getting right on it with creating apps for those! Ah, another thought came to me, why can't window-eyes browse mode, after all these years, still wrap around when going to the beginning and end of web pages, especially with the tab key? So what if its automatic browse mode, make it automatic accross the board as stated earlier with v8.1 I believe. Alright, one, last, thought! For goodness sakes, let us label graphics and buttons in browse mode! Can you get all these features in with Window-Eyes before 9.0, which I asume would be the first version without XP support? It would certainly make sense to end XP support for WE then and there. Take care all, and if GW could make an update to GWC, adding the ability to put in your cereal number in a box, to tell the program you are a WE user without needing to nstall WE inthe future, that would be nice! Kind Regards, Trenton, the T Man! On 6/30/13, Brandon Miller <[email protected]> wrote: > In my opinion, sadly, it seems like Window-eyes has some sort of issue > with most, if not all Mozilla developed products. The other day I was > listening to a Blind Bargains interview with Gw Micro's Doug Geoffrey (I > apologize for the misspelling) who was specifically discussing Adobe's > flash technology as it relates to Firefox. According to Doug, there is > an ongoing issue there which Gw Micro already knows about but which Doug > said needs to be worked out between Mozilla and Adobe, the ability for > Window-eyes to switch languages on the fly doesn't seem to function at > all in Firefox, the Window-eyes page refresh rotor doesn't seem to work > or be obeyed by Firefox, the hotkeys to read by paragraph don't work at > all for me in firefox, there are probably other issues that need to be > resolved that I'm just not aware of because I'm not a developer. > Thunderbird (Mozilla's email client) which I use is usually extremely > sluggish on my machine, unless of course I manually lower the > Window-eyes process priority to either below normal, or low; It could > just be me, but I'm not very impressed with Window-eyes hotkey support > or functionality with Thunderbird at all. In short, I'm just sayin', > there's two Mozilla products that I know of right there and neither one > of them work anywhere close to exceptionally well with Window-eyes. Oh > how I do wish I were a programmer sometimes. If I were, I think I'd > develop my own screen reader, and it I think would be similar to, if not > the same as, NVDA in terms of pricing, but which would simultaneously > provide at least the same level of functionality as Jaws and > Window-eyes, but in truth I'd do my best to best everybody in the screen > reader industry? Is that the right word for the screen reader arena? Is > it big enough to be called a quote unquote, industry? Well anyway, > semantics aside, I saw first hand the other day via a list like this > that there are hard core (if not fanatical) supporters of Gw Micro, who > strongly dislike any criticism of Gw Micro. Well, guess what all you > hard core supporters, I'm not sayin' that I don't support Gw Micro, heck > I own, and daily work with, Window-eyes 8.2.0.0 professional! Having > said that, guess what, it's a free market and a free world, and > everybody in the United States of America is free to say whatsoever we > like, good or bad! The fact is, everybody blind who I know or work with > gives Window-eyes, and Gw Micro by extension, the cold shoulder and > doesn't want anything to do with either! I think that's unfortunate, I > also think it's unfair and unjustifiable, but it's a free market like I > said, and unfortunately Freedom Scientific for the time being continues > to maintain it's dominance of the screen reader arena. Not to mention > that Gw Micro I feel like should work more aggressively with companies > like Adobe, and Mozilla, and also with companies that have, up to this > point, not traditionally been considered like telephone companies, cable > companies, Satellite service providers, appliance manufacturers, > electronics manufacturer's, public transit system designers, Etc.. I > don't mean to sound mean Gw Micro, but you have simply got to do more if > you ever hope to have even a chance at competing with Freedom Scientific > in any sort of meaningful way. I genuinely do wish things were > different, and in this case more favorable to Gw Micro. The fact remains > though that if there are applications that sighted people use, that Jaws > can work effectively with but which Window-eyes cannot, well, that's not > going to do anything good at all for Gw Micro. Gw Micro, just so that > y'all know, I have personally submitted at least six or seven crash > reports to Mozilla regarding both Firefox and Thunderbird, in which I > mentioned you, and Window-eyes specifically, by name. I have not even > once received a response back from anybody at Mozilla, not even from a > third party developer or anything. I'm a user, I've tried submitting > crash reports to Mozilla, what have you done or what are you doing Gw > Micro? If the lack of compatibility is Mozilla's fault, I encourage you > to aggressively try to get in touch with someone in authority at > Mozilla, who can more fully understand, and who can then more fully > provide support within their company for, what you all at Gw Micro are > trying to do. Does anybody else here agree? Is anybody else willing to > offer Gw Micro some additional, but constructive, criticism? Now days > it's all about connecting right? Connecting via facilities like > Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, Skype, Tango, Heytell, Voxer, etcetera > etcetera etcetera. Right? So then, how would you personally advise Gw > Micro regarding their current standing in the screen reader arena, and > regarding the steps they should take to move forward and remain relevant > in today's society and economy? I know we're supposed to be helping one > another out with tips and tricks for Window-eyes, and various other > applications, but if the applications themselves are only partially > functional, even if there's not a lot that we can personally do, perhaps > there is something that the coders at Gw Micro can do. Perhaps you are a > programmer yourself. If that's true, please, write to Gw Micro and tell > them how to fix their app if you can. Write to app developers themselves > and tell them how to make their apps more accessible to Window-eyes. Gw > Micro, you most importantly I feel like, should focus in a big way on > making yourselves more relevant and visible in the software industry > world wide. Let more software development companies know that you exist, > and what your goals are, and see if you can't arrange a mutually > beneficial relationship with one another. I get the feeling that not a > lot of software development companies are even aware of screen reading > technologies at all, or only basically at best. Meaning that I feel like > at a lot of companies, if I broached the subject of screen reader > technology with them, they'd just say "Oh okay, I get it, it makes the > computer talk to you out loud.". There is however so much more that > happens behind the scenes so to speak that makes that possible. More > companies need to know more about the nuts and bolts of what makes > screen reading technology possible, and one unique aspect about Gw > Micro's development environment in particular is that they (Gw Micro) > don't require that developers learn any sort of proprietary programming > language to make software compatible with Window-eyes. Gw Micro, I think > if you were to emphasize that, that may be one major key to increasing > your visibility and to making software developers more amenable to > working with you. What I'm sayin' is, Gw Micro, you can get out of the > slump that I at least, as a relatively astute professional perceive you > to be in. Imagine what it could be like if you had the opportunity to, > finally, at long last, after all these years, work hand in hand with big > name, industry leading, professionally appraised and recognized software > designers and leading consumer brand product manufacturers, knowing that > your technology beginning in the year of 2013 helped to make access to > those services possible. Case and point? TVs. Why not approach somebody > like Samsung Gw Micro, and why not make Samsung TV features 100% > accessible out of the box, with your existing technology providing that > access, world wide. Why not? I know I know, you've never been associated > with anything like that before. Well get associated! As another example, > do you have any idea how many of us blind people would love to be able > to use our DVRs at home to program what we want to watch, when we want > to watch it but can't because they're not accessible? Get in the game Gw > Micro and make them accessible! You can do it! Freedom Scientific has > all but stolen the PC screen reader market, but you could dominate > emerging markets. Why not? > > Respectfully submitted, > > Brandon Dean Miller > > On 6/29/2013 9:00 PM, GW Micro Product Discussion Listserv wrote: >> 3 Messages: >> >> #1 >> Subject: RE: Firefox 22 Rocks! >> From: <[email protected]> >> Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2013 12:05:19 -0500 >> Reply-To: <[email protected]> >> >> I wish I could get pages to stop randomly refreshing and booting me to >> the >> top of the page. I had hoped NoScript or Webvisum would thwart this >> unwelcome behavior, but nope. I'd also like to know why when FF locks up, >> WE >> speech is affected. I use the Eloquence that ships with WE, BTW. >> >> Lou N. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Max G. Swanson [mailto:[email protected]] >> Sent: Friday, June 28, 2013 7:02 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Firefox 22 Rocks! >> >> The autoupdater just fed me the new Firefox 22. It's reading things I've >> never seen before, albeit minor ones on my Web mail >> >> It seems as though this one deserves its status as a major increment in >> FF's development. Worth circumventing autoupdate to grab it, IMHO! > > > If you reply to this message it will be delivered to the original sender > only. If your reply would benefit others on the list and your message is > related to GW Micro, then please consider sending your message to > [email protected] so the entire list will receive it. > > GW-Info messages are archived at http://www.gwmicro.com/gwinfo. You can > manage your list subscription at http://www.gwmicro.com/listserv. If you reply to this message it will be delivered to the original sender only. If your reply would benefit others on the list and your message is related to GW Micro, then please consider sending your message to [email protected] so the entire list will receive it. GW-Info messages are archived at http://www.gwmicro.com/gwinfo. 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