Hay sorry friends. See the below web site on how to do what your looking
for.
http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_xp-windows_update/w
indows-xp-updates-can-i-save-updates-installed/43493b35-5a20-46fd-846e-ef90c
7b14050
I think you should do this before xp support ends.
Hth
-----Original Message-----
From: MJ Williams [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2014 8:28 AM
To: GW Micro Product Discussion Listserv
Subject: RE: using windows xp
At the risk of seeming pedantic, Jim, neither of your replies so far have
quite addressed my query.
So, would it be in order to request that you rename the thread to something
more relevant, so that my original query is picked up more easily by list
members able and willing to help?
Sincerely, Matthew
At 16:11 11/01/2014, you wrote:
First yes it is your own choice. It should be an informed choice though.
This is why I asked the question why on earth would you want to do
this? it was to try to find out why a person wouldn't want to update to
the latest operating system so we could debunk the mith that it is a
bad idea. First you speak of the interface. There are a number of
start screen alternatives that run on windows 8 that will give you the
interface that you might want.
Secons windows 8 is faster and more stable. 3rd if you have programs
and most of us do that use the speech API windows 8 provides a better
speech sinthasizer built in. now lets talk about file management if
you have files you want to copy you can start copying files and then
switch back to explorer find something else to do and add it to the list
and it will do it
all at once. Even if you don't want a new interface get a start screen
you
like and use the advantages of windows 8. It doesn't have to be a
learning curve.
Also with window eyes learning the new start screen isn't even
something you have to bother with. Just open the start screen press
control tab to see all your apps and press insert tab to get a tree of
all the apps that are there. Use search on the start screen. Lets say
you want to run Microsoft word. So you type word. Arrow down the first
option will be word pad the second option will be word. Press enter.
Your done. finely the point I maid earlier still stands. Older
operating systems as time goes buy get less and less support. It would
be more productive to the user to help him set up windows 8 to his liking
verces recommending old software.
-----Original Message-----
From: David [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2014 7:42 AM
To: Jim Grimsby JR.; 'MJ Williams'
Cc: WE English mailing list
Subject: Re: using windows xp
Jim,
May we please keep this in a low tone. Smile.
First of all, whether a user wants to upgrade to Win7 or Win8, may have
to be a decision of his. And, even if you personally like the new
Windows and its interface, the fact that Microsoft had to release
version 8.1, mainly due to the market not accepting the new interface
of Windows8 and requiring that certain features were partially
re-initiated, should tell its own story. Well-equipped sighted users
are complaining about Windows8, and many places you will find
suggestions to stick with Windows7. Even as late as two days ago, the
local dealer of Window-eyes, went out and told customers here, only to
upgrade to Windows8, if you are ready to shoulder the task of all the
challenges. OK, I have read some of your other postings, and it seems
you are one of the gang, who loves new things and new challenges. Yet,
for many a user, going from XP to Win7, will pose more than enough for
a challenge - let alone to lern a totally different layout and
interface. In one way, if people first want to go Windows8, why don't
they make the full plunge, and turn apple? Or, Android? Or, Linux? My point
is just this, don't belittling anyone, just because they decide to stop at
Windows7 level.
I have already been struggling enough with Windows8, that I have
absolutely all understanding for anyone who keeps their hands off.
There still remain a bit of work on both the Operativ System, and the
screen reader. Not to even mention the many apps that may be more or less
useless for a blind user.
Unless you are well aware of which apps you install on the Windows8
machine, you could soon enough end up in a mess. And, that is not just
my words, but the experience from a number of users. As such, if a
person now happens to not want the many challenges, Windows7 will still
be enough modern, that he well enough can be running for quite a while yet.
In our next token, maybe I got your posting a bit wrong. But to me, it
seems you are talking from the perspective of a person, sitting in a
country of wealth, and with a fair enough amount of money. Promise you,
there is many countries - even in the industrialized part of the world
- who are facing that heavy ecconomic challenges, that upgrading a
million computers, simply is not a realistic thing. I am aware, that
every time Microsoft - or, any other manufacturers of software - has
pulled the plug, this kind of discussion has come up, and run hot for
several weeks. The net is full of arguings to the better and the worse
of this upcoming pull. The only thing that is to be remarked right
here, is that this time it is taking place in a moment when many
countries are in the ecconomic backyard. Parts of the world
- like Southern-Europe - which makes up a fair enough amount of
computer users. I am not going to tell what will happen, as I am just
as much a human as everyone else. But I still wonder if XP will be in
daily use on more computers than you want to imagine, even way after
April 14, this year. The manufactures of hardware, will have to deliver
what the market can afford.
And so far, I haven't seen much for hardware that cannot handle XP.
May I even point out to you, that quite a number of hardware products
today, can handle not only anything from Windows98 and up - but also is
being produced to work multi-platform, meaning they work just as well
under Linux and different versions of Mac.
To tell that Windows XP is old, is well enough. But it still is not
obsolete. True, it will not receive further support and development
from Microsoft, but I do wonder if we will see it running on quite a
number of computers even for yet a good amount of time. True again,
many software and hardware manufacturers may stop telling their
customers their products can be run under XP. But just because you
don't test your product on an XP machine, and just because you stop
guarantee the stuff to run under XP - does that really mean that it will
not work?
Again, noone of us knows what will be the situation in a few months.
And namely therefore, we should be careful in telling people "what is
the right thing to do". It would be encouraged that people upgrade, but
whether they want the huge challenge of going to Windows8.1, or they
simply want the fair step into Windows7, I really think should be a
decision of everyone in person - that the rest of us should
respectfully accept. Or, would you tell any existing Win7 user, that
they are old-fashioned and ready for the old-folk's home? Surely, you
would not. Microsoft is still supporting Win7, and I haven't seen any
notification as to when that OS is going to be stopped supported - unless
you have any such information.
GW just released version 8.4 of the screen reader - still supporting
XP. So, for those who still run XP, they can at least use a version of
the screen reader, that may as well stay quite up-to-date for yet a
long time. OK then, maybe GW will release 8.5 on April 15, and that
version may no longer support XP. Does that mean that it is impossible
to run under XP, or, does it mean that GW no longer will be testing and
guaranteeing it under XP? Only GW would be able to tell, and from
earlier experience, I guess they ain't going to - until the next
release is a reality. But even GW will have to face the fact of the
ecconomic situation of a number of their customers. As a matter of
fact, even more countries are turning low now, and we see that some
places where the authorities have been willingly paying for upgrades
for the blind people's computer and screen reader, now adays tighten the
bands.
No, I am not trying to paint a black wall of the whole thing. I just
want to point out, that things are no longer what they used to be.
Everyone was told that Win7 was the only right way to go, and you would
soon enough be out of business if you did not go down that lane.
Approximately the same time Win7 was introduced, the first wind of
Ecconomic crisis hit. Judging from the number of people still running
Xp way up to only a few weeks before the plug is pulled, I'd say Win7
did not prove to be the only right way to go. If it had, why then Win8?
Or, why at all, Win8.1? Enjoy your top-modern daily living, but please
respect people who still cannot afford, or don't want to go all that
same modern. Personally, I find it was well worth not to run for the
newest. It sure has saved me a bunch of money, and even more
frustration of complications in running the modern stuff with a screen
reader that only partially supports it. And, sorry, even the Windows
8.1 with Window-Eyes 8.3, has lacks and glitches. The WE8.4 was only
released two days ago locally, so I haven't had chance to test if the
glitches have been tightened. Unless such is the case, I would much
agree with the local Window-Eyes dealer over here, that people should
still stick with nothing higher than Win7 for a bit longer. GW are
working hard, and they will likely get better support as time moves on.
But up till now, I have had way too many cases of not being fully supported
in Windows8, that I have kept my old systems running for daily usage.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Grimsby JR." <[email protected]>
To: "'MJ Williams'" <[email protected]>
Cc: <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2014 3:40 PM
Subject: RE: using windows xp
Why on earth would you even bother? People xp is just old. Forget
the bad advice also about updating from windows xp to windows 7.
Windows 7 is also old. Update to windows 8 avoid the fragmentation
use the wonderful support that window-eyes provides for this
wonderful operating system.
Even if you did save all your updates that is not going to save you
from breaches. It is also not going to save you from the fact that
more and more software is just not going to support xp. Don't
bother. Get in to the real world and update your operating system
to windows 8.1.
-----Original Message-----
From: MJ Williams [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2014 6:14 AM
To: GW Micro Product Discussion Listserv
Subject: Re: using windows xp
On The subject of XP updates, I remember a posting on this list
detailing how to preserve all updates and to save them on a CD. If
anyone knows what I'm refering to and has access to the information
in said message I would be grateful for a copy.
Please feel free to contact me privately with your reply if the
subject is offtopic for this list.
Sincerely, Matthew
At 12:25 11/01/2014, you wrote:
for those using xp until such time as gw says support will end on
this date I would not worry. your computer will wtill work. Yes
true you won't get updates. However if it's not broke don't fix it.
if your going to upgrade use windows 7 in my opinion.
If you reply to this message it will be delivered to the original
sender only. If your reply would benefit others on the list and your
message is related to GW Micro, then please consider sending your
message to [email protected] so the entire list will receive it.
GW-Info messages are archived at http://www.gwmicro.com/gwinfo. You
can manage your list subscription at http://www.gwmicro.com/listserv.
If you reply to this message it will be delivered to the original
sender only. If your reply would benefit others on the list and your
message is related to GW Micro, then please consider sending your
message to [email protected] so the entire list will receive it.
GW-Info messages are archived at http://www.gwmicro.com/gwinfo. You
can manage your list subscription at http://www.gwmicro.com/listserv.
If you reply to this message it will be delivered to the original
sender only. If your reply would benefit others on the list and your
message is related to GW Micro, then please consider sending your
message to [email protected] so the entire list will receive it.
GW-Info messages are archived at http://www.gwmicro.com/gwinfo. You
can manage your list subscription at http://www.gwmicro.com/listserv.
If you reply to this message it will be delivered to the original
sender only. If your reply would benefit others on the list and your
message is related to GW Micro, then please consider sending your
message to [email protected] so the entire list will receive it.
GW-Info messages are archived at http://www.gwmicro.com/gwinfo. You can
manage your list subscription at http://www.gwmicro.com/listserv.
If you reply to this message it will be delivered to the original sender
only. If your reply would benefit others on the list and your message is
related to GW Micro, then please consider sending your message to
[email protected] so the entire list will receive it.
GW-Info messages are archived at http://www.gwmicro.com/gwinfo. You can
manage your list subscription at http://www.gwmicro.com/listserv.
If you reply to this message it will be delivered to the original sender only.
If your reply would benefit others on the list and your message is related to
GW Micro, then please consider sending your message to [email protected] so
the entire list will receive it.
GW-Info messages are archived at http://www.gwmicro.com/gwinfo. You can manage
your list subscription at http://www.gwmicro.com/listserv.
