Hi chip. I don't understand why classic shell doesn't work with
window-eyes. would this be a program you might consider writing an app
for. MSAA detective shows that it provides all the information from MSAA
that is needed to provide accessability. Every other screen reader I have
tried with it provides good enough access. Ok check boxes and radio buttons
are not read in the settings tree view as check boxes and radio button. They
are outline items, but this is not a show stopper because you just need to
select the option you want.
-----Original Message-----
From: Chip Orange [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2014 11:38 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Getting rid of the ribbon and other similar topics was Re:
windows xp was RE: Using the delete key was Re: Window-eyes on a Microsoft
Tablet
Yes, I agree completely Chris, and appreciate all the info placed here which
helps us use our software better with Window-Eyes.
Chip
-----Original Message-----
From: Chris [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2014 12:27 PM
To: Jim Grimsby JR.; 'David'
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: Getting rid of the ribbon and other similar topics was Re: windows
xp was RE: Using the delete key was Re: Window-eyes on a Microsoft Tablet
Perhaps some of this thread may have wandered off topic, but the discussion
on alterations to Windows 8.1 to make it easier for users who prefer the
classic look is most definitely on topic and personally I would like to have
some of this knowledge shared on the list. Why is it on topic? It has
bearing on how Window Eyes users can improve functionality of the operating
system. Just because the information can also benefit users of other screen
readers and non screen reader users does not mean it has no connection for
Window Eyes users. The topic, at least this portion that is about the tools
to modify the OS interface has direct bearing on ease of use for some users
of Window Eyes and thus is germane to the list. Just the smallest example of
how useful the information can be, the knowledge that Classic Shell isn't
compatible with Window Eyes could save some users a lot of hassle and
frustration since they will know not to even bother downloading it and will
not waste time reading up on how to set things up with the app.
Personally, as one who has never taken to the ribbon, I am not only
interested in how to get rid of it in as many areas as possible in Windows
8, I would love it if there were ways to get rid of it in Windows 7 and any
applications in which it is possible to nix it, most particularly Windows
Live Mail would be so much nicer IMO without the ribbon.
Regards,
Chris
-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Grimsby JR.
Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2014 2:57 AM
To: 'David'
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: RE: windows xp was RE: Using the delete key was Re: Window-eyes on
a Microsoft Tablet
Hi david. I have been researching this matter.
Ok for office 2013 2010 to avoid the ribbon this app works good with
window-eyes. you can get the following two programs. Classic Menu. For
Office, or UBitMenu. This program works well with window-eyes the keyboard
shortcuts are a little strange but it is free. They also have a version for
outlook this is not free but you can get it with a very small donation. For
menu alternatives I have tried ClassicShell this works with every screen
reader as I already noted accept for window-eyes. I will see if I can find
another alternative. I do think that gw micro should make an appp for this
though because clearly this is in high demand.
The other information such as how to configure windows 8 to remove the
ribbon from windows explore doesn't have anything to do with window-eyes and
I did not elaborate on it here for that reason. Same with configuring
windows to not use the cloud and to use a local account if you should want
it to. It strays quite a bit off topic and sertain people are already upset
with me as it is for being as they feel off topic. Out of respect for those
people I am trying to keep the conversation well within the scoap of
programs that work and support window-eyes.
The research is not done yet. Trying only one or two options is clearly not
a devenative test. Classic shell is one that has received hi reviews and
this is the one I tested first. I new it worked with NVDA simply because I
put it on a clients computer who wanted windows 8 but did not want the
learning curve and she was using NVDA. I was quite shocked to find that a
program I have had good luck with in the past simply didn't work with
window-eyes. I then ran a demo of jaws and presto it worked here to.
I will post more as more info becomes available.
Hth
-----Original Message-----
From: David [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2014 6:41 PM
To: Jim Grimsby JR.; 'Karyn Campbell'
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: Re: windows xp was RE: Using the delete key was Re: Window-eyes on
a Microsoft Tablet
Jim,
I may be in the risk of misreading your messages a bit here. But, to me, it
seems you somehow are biting your own tail.
Over and over, you have told us that we can just install some extra things,
and woopsy, there we have a touch and a feel that gives people the XP look.
Well, I have searched the net, and found different add-ins and apps, that
promise you all of this. And, many a review, for the better or the worse of
this kind of products. So, I thought to ask the community here. A couple of
months ago, I did ask this very list for some feedback on which of all those
alternatives would work properly with the screen reader. I even mentioned it
to one of the local people handling out computerized solutions for the
visually impaired over here. And what did I get back? A load of messages,
telling me to forget about most - if not all - of the alternatives. Still, I
would have liked someone to specifically tell what add-in I would have to
install, to get some of the feel from the old XP into my new computer. I
don't say I would continue to use it, but it may be a stepping-stone, to
climb the learning curve. And if you did not find Windows8 to be any
learning curve, then just lucky you. As me and many others have already
stated, even well-driven sighted users find it to be a learning curve. Even
Microsoft had to go back on a couple of things, when releasing 8.1. Enjoy it
if you can, but would you mind to please give us some exact info as to which
extras to install, that would make the curve less steep, with Window-Eyes.
For many a user, another screen reader is not a real alternative, so make
sure you don't claim that things can be done, unless you know they can be
done with WE. Such info, would be useful. A load of messages just claiming
that things can be done, leaving the user a feeling that he is silly he did
not know better, doesn't help anyone. Sorry, I am not saying that was your
intention, far from that. Just saying that some users may feel your banging
argues that way. Likely your argues are totally in place, but then please
back them up with some info, that the user can go right out there, download
and install some of the stuff, and really get help to climb the threshold of
the modern computer. Please.
And, just to be slightly joking with you. You asked why "on earth" a user
would not be upgrading? The many countries and parts of the world that was
mentioned in the examples, are all located right here on Earth. Europe is
actually part of even your world map... Smile. And, the whole blind
community, I do dare to say, still are walking right here on earth. So, all
the reasons you could read out of the messages in this discussion, would be
"on earth". Putting that statement in your arguing the newest and highest,
won't make the argues anything more significant. Smile. Well, the jokey part
will have its end here. Think we all have seen more than a handful reasons,
why upgrading may still take a few weeks and even a couple of months. Till
then, let us all keep low-toned, and try to assist and encourage people to
climb the new waggon. True, there may be security risks in not upgrading.
Yet, there definitely is risks in the new versions as well, and some of them
are of a kind that I am not sure the security thing is all that could be
used for reasons to upgrade.
You mentioned the Cloud saving. You told us, that it could just be turned
off. But sorry Sir, you did not tell us how this could be done. And, I could
have listed numerous reasons why cloud-saving would be a security risk. Not
to mention, that in many places around the globe, saving sensitive
information in the cloud, would be considered close to personal
infringement. Why, because of the security risks. So, there again we have
the "on earth" reason, why people may feel reluctant to climb the ladder.
And, telling us that things can be done, and how, would maybe encourage one
or two more users to take the step.
Again, people who want to upgrade, which may well enough have its "on earth"
reasons in doing, and who do not want a steep learning curve, may wel go for
Win7. I have little info, from all I have seen, read and heard, that there
would be anything less secure in upgrading to Win7, compared to Win8. And
although Win7 is a curve, it may not be anything more than the learning
curve you experienced when version 7.5 of the screen reader was introduced,
and you got the new interface of the WE Control Panel. Many like the new
interface, some are still struggling to find what they used to know, but we
all have managed to use it. Win7 may give you the same feeling, of not
knowing how to do things, but little by little you will get used to it. For
the more daring ones, go ahead and do your playing in Win8.1, then come back
and give us educated training in how to learn riding that beast. But please
don't argue that it is the only right way to go.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Grimsby JR." <[email protected]>
To: "'Karyn Campbell'" <[email protected]>
Cc: <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2014 9:32 PM
Subject: RE: windows xp was RE: Using the delete key was Re: Window-eyes on
a Microsoft Tablet
Well if we are talking about a work situation then you don't have a choice
and there is nothing to talk about. Then of course it is not your job to
keep the system up to date or anything else. Then this conversation does
not apply to you and you can safely ignore it. if on the other hand you are
a home user then not updating is just a bad choice and not updating to the
latest that is out there is also a bad choice. If it is the new interface
that is your problem as I said you can do things to work around this. I
just to test it out maid my windows 8 system look amazingly like xp. Of
course there were a few advantages like I was able to run my windows 8 apps.
I have a search box when I want it and so on. Now here is a question for gw
micro classic shell work wonderful with every other screen reader how come
nothing useful is read with window-eyes. I will look and see if I can find
other tools and utilitys to get this job done. I think though gw micro
should take a look at this program and make window-eyes work with it. after
all a number of your users are going to be updating and they are going to
want to keep the windows xp feel and this is a grate program to accomplish
this.
Hth
-----Original Message-----
From: Karyn Campbell [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2014 10:13 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: windows xp was RE: Using the delete key was Re: Window-eyes on
a Microsoft Tablet
Jim,
That is easier said than done when you are in a work situation, especially
when government is involved. Remember that government tends to run with
older technology. I speak from experience as I am still on XP at work
myself.
Karyn Campbell, Illinois USA, [email protected] Using WE 84. on Toshiba
laptop running Windows 7 home premium 32-bit with Office 2007 and IE 10 as
well as Acer netbook running Windows 7 home premium 64-bit with Office 2007
and IE 10 and Microsoft Security esentials on both machines.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Grimsby JR. [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 11:50 PM
To: 'Duyahn Walker'
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: windows xp was RE: Using the delete key was Re: Window-eyes on a
Microsoft Tablet
Well xp and outlook express will allow you to set up rules. Note warning
warning warning. Xp support ends on 04-14-2014. Generaly window-eyes
support ends for an operating system when Microsoft ends support for that
operating system. It would be a good idea to upgrade to a later version of
windows before support ends for the version you are using. Note I have no
first hand knolidge of gw micro's plans for xp I only speak of what has
happened in the past. Even if window-eyes support doesn't end right away
when the support from Microsoft does it is important to note that no fixes
for problems for this version of the windows operating system will be maid
after 04-14-2014. Once again I urge all xp users to upgrade at once.
-----Original Message-----
From: Duyahn Walker [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 1:12 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Using the delete key was Re: Window-eyes on a Microsoft Tablet
Still using xp and Outlook express.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin Huber" <[email protected]>
To: "Duyahn Walker" <[email protected]>
Cc: <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 1:27 PM
Subject: Re: Using the delete key was Re: Window-eyes on a Microsoft Tablet
Hi Duyahn:
Here is a solution to the problem of having to hit the delete key for
each message in a topic that you no longer want to read about.
Your email client may have a method of deleting a conversation. For
example, I use Gmail on the web and if I want to delete a
conversation, I can check the box associated with the link to that
conversation, and then just activate the delete button on the screen.
I don't know if your email client has the ability to delete a
conversation, but if it does, that will ease your frustration.
I had to do this on one occasion not to long ago in another email list.
I went to the table containing the links to the conversations, then
for each conversation about the topic in question, I checked the box
on that row. Once I checked all the boxes I needed to check, I
navigated to the delete button and pressed the spacebar.
As a result, all the messages about that topic disappeared.
Kevin Huber
/14, Duyahn Walker <[email protected]> wrote:
Really? I was out of line? Ok. Let's say I really got tired of the
fact that
this subject in this thread kept coming up. Let's say i was really
nasty about it. Now, obviously, one of two things would happen. I
would either get
warned about my conduct, or, i would be removed from the list because
of how
offensive I was. I will not do any of that since it does not get me
friends.
It just makes me look stupid if I were to act in this manner. So, I
will now
just politely say, I will not ask or say anything else on this list.
Seems
that is the best course of action.
God bless
Duyahn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris" <[email protected]>
To: "Rod Hutton" <[email protected]>; "Duyahn Walker"
<[email protected]>; <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 12:20 PM
Subject: Using the delete key was Re: Window-eyes on a Microsoft
Tablet
While Duyahn's request was polite, it is really out of line, at lest
as far as the main discussion goes. The main topic was and is on
topic for the list, being a discussion relevant to Window Eyes. It
may become tiring
for people not interested in such a popular topic to continue
deleting posts day after day, but people need to remember that 'I'm
not interested
in this topic', 'my interest in this topic has ended', and other
such personal feelings and opinions do not equal off topic. Sorry,
but the definition of off topic is pretty specific and frankly, it
is out of line
for even a moderator to shut down an on topic discussion. I can't
count the number of threads I am sick of that I continue to delete
day after day
from various lists, but that is the nature of lists. This isn't
meant as an admonishment or anything, when a widely popular topic
that one isn't interested in continues for a long time it can be
easy to get sick of it and lose track of whether or not the
discussion is on topic. The popularity of this discussion is an
indication of the membership's interest in Windows tablets and touch
support. This means that the topic,
even when this discussion peters out, is not going anywhere and
members who are not interested should brace themselves for it to
come back from time to time.
On the wandering of the discussion, we all offend in this area I
think, I
know I often forget, but if possible one should always try to
remember when shifting to a side discussion to alter the subject
line to reflect both the new topic and the fact that it branched
from
another topic.
This
allows folks to decide if they are interested in reading the new
topic or
if they want to skip the tangent.
Regards,
Chris
-----Original Message-----
From: Rod Hutton
Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 8:50 AM
To: Duyahn Walker ; [email protected]
Subject: Re: Window-eyes on a Microsoft Tablet
Hi Duyahn,
Your point is legit, but if you actually delve into the message you
will find that they're not talking about the subject line anymore.
I know it takes time, but if you don't want to be fooled by the
subject lines, you have to read every message. smile
hth,
Rod
On 1/10/14 1:14 AM, Duyahn Walker wrote:
Can we please put this subject to rest? Hitting the delete key for
over a
week now is getting quite annoying and old. And, I am asking quite
nicely.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Sky Mundell" <[email protected]>
To: "'Tom Kingston'" <[email protected]>
Cc: <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 12:01 AM
Subject: RE: Window-eyes on a Microsoft Tablet
Hi Tom, I do apologize. I thought it was we, not the plugin. Its
funny how nvda, jaws, and system access seem to work well with it
-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Kingston [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2014 9:59 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Window-eyes on a Microsoft Tablet
Just a side note regarding ReaAccess. Window-Eyes is not causing it
to crash. I decompiled ReaAccess and the programmer ignorantly hard
coded the path (at that time) to Window-Eyes instead of using the
environment variable that any programmer with half a brain would
have known enough to
use, or at least included the proper error checking and used an
alternative method, such as searching. And because he's trying to
access
an interface that does not exist and he hasn't even checked to see
if it
exists ReaAccess blows up.
And be it that he's abandoned the project there is nothing that can
be done other than someone else rewriting ReaAccess.
Regards,
Tom
On 1/10/2014 12:35 AM, Sky Mundell wrote:
Hello Jim, I have to agree with you. You do not have to buy
another licence just to run we, unlike JAWS. I had that problem
too, and I wanted to go to WE, but the problem was that at that
time we were concerned that it would not work with the stuff I
wanted. I want to be a audio engineer as I am a blind musician,
and I am using Sonar with CakeTalking from dancing dots, however
as I said I am now using reaper with ReaAccess, though We causes
it to crash. So, for my job, I'll have
to push back a bit.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Grimsby JR. [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2014 1:44 PM
To: 'josh n rivera'
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Window-eyes on a Microsoft Tablet
Windows pro is the most popular version of windows 8.1. it is the
version of windows that most of us windows 8 users are running on
our desktops. Another wonderful point in favor of window-eyes no
matter what version of windows you are running window-eyes will
work with it. you buy window-eyes no price change just because
you want to run pro verces home.
Hth
-----Original Message-----
From: josh n rivera [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2014 1:12 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Window-eyes on a Microsoft Tablet
Pardon my asking, Jim, but what is windows pro?
On Tue, 7 Jan 2014 13:01:02 -0800 "Jim Grimsby JR."
<[email protected]> writes:
Well windows pro is what I am using to write this message. While
I don't have window-eyes loaded right now I do use it on this pc
quite a lot. When not if but when Microsoft does what they have
to do to stay alive there will be nothing for gw micro to do
accept maybe add support for a few new programs. No big deal. It
is going to happen it has to.
-----Original Message-----
From: Pat Ferguson [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2014 12:55 PM
To: Jim Grimsby JR.
Subject: RE: Window-eyes on a Microsoft Tablet
You are correct about the future of PC's.
I still have my Windows 7 Desktop computer running Window-Eyes
8.0.4 and it's not a huge desktop, either.
I wanted a laptop, but I like the idea of a tablet more and more,
as long as I could have a Bluetooth keyboard and the loving
Window-Eyes.
I'm still using my old Motorola Q9C cell phone with Mobile Speak
on it. lol.
It will be great if Microsoft makes Windows Pro accessible and if
Window-Eyes can adapt to that.
I do also love the idea of using a keyboard or touch screen.
Great thoughts, and very true ones. <smile>
Thanks much.
Many Blessings,
Pat Ferguson
"I can Do all Things Through Christ Who Strengthens Me."
Phillippians 4:13.
At 02:36 PM 1/7/2014, you wrote:
Well pat there is hope then. Gw micro will add touch. They
have
to.
Then windows pro will be coming soon to a phone near you. It
has
to.
Microsoft has two choices at this point. Get in to the phone
with
pro
where there are real advantages or go and become big blue and do
b
to
b. pc sells will hit rock bottom this year and Microsoft knows it.
look
at what acer and del are doing right now. They know it to and
they
are
scrambleing to get in to the mobile world in a new way.
Microsoft
has
no plans to upgraid windows phone so they have to do something.
It
will be windows pro on a phone and windows rt on a phone. We
of course will want windows pro. Then we will have window-eyes
with
touch
support and all that great keyboard support from windows on our
phones
using the Bluetooth keyboard. Best of both worlds if you ask me.
More
and more windows apps will become accessable the new laws will
force
Microsoft to push for this and you won't be living in the walled
garden
that is IOS and you will have choices on what access tech you
use unlike on Iphone or android. As you know I have been quite
vocal on
android accessability not that it is bad it is ok. It needs a
lot
of
help though. The nice thing about a windows pro phone is this.
you
don't have to choose between android and windows. Just run them
dool boot
and have them both. It will be all about choice. Bring it on I say.
-----Original Message-----
From: Pat Ferguson [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2014 11:56 AM
To: David Plumlee
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Window-eyes on a Microsoft Tablet
I had an Android tablet for about 3 weeks in December, and I
wouldn't
trade a keyboard with a laptop or any computer. The touch screen
jestures for the Android were not that great. I sent the tablet
back.
It was a lesson learned. No tablets for me with out a keyboard.
I do think the IOS is better on the Jestures, however.
I know someone who has a Windows Tablet running Window-Eyes with
a
keyboard.
I wouldn't mind that.
Thanks much.
Many Blessings,
Pat Ferguson
"I can Do all Things Through Christ Who Strengthens Me."
Phillippians 4:13.
At 11:20 PM 1/6/2014, you wrote:
I must admit at the outset a bias on my part: I am a confirmed
knob
freak at age 69. I have also operated the Apple IPhone with
all
of
its gestures and touch operations; and for my part, nothing
beats
a
good solid mechanical keyboard with real buttons that you can
press
to reliably get what you want! Perhaps touch screens will
become
more
reliable as they improve; but I don't think I'd want to use a
tablet
computer as long as I could have something with real buttons to
operate. Granted, the modern PC has no knobs; but the buttons
generally carry the same reliability that you can get from
knobs
that
you
turn.
But for those who want touch, gestures, and all that, I
sincerely
hope that Window-Eyes can someday soon run on such equipment.
For my
part, though, give me knobs and buttons!
----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris H"
<[email protected]>
To: "Kevin Huber" <[email protected]>; "gw-info"
<[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, January 06, 2014 2:49 PM
Subject: Re: Window-eyes on a Microsoft Tablet
Hi
probably not, Window-Eyes does not work with touch currently.
Regards Chris
On 06/01/2014 19:58, Kevin Huber wrote:
Hi:
Can anyone tell me if Window-eyes 8 works on one of those
Microsoft
Windows 8 tablets? If so, which tablets does Window-eyes
work
with
and which ones does it not work with?
Kevin Huber
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