Hi, Well I am not gw micro or its staff smile. I can answer your question. Window-eyes is perfectly capable of reading this information. It needs an app for it to get the information from MSAA and pass it to the user. The reason for this is gw micro to avoid stability issues has decided to only directly querry MSAA for programs they know it is perfectly safe to do so. This is a good thing because it insures that window-eyes doesn't crash unexpectedly. Here is an example. In the hp support assistant when you do not run this program as an administrato, and you querry MSAA the hp support assistant will crash. Do to the fact that window-eyes is not querrying this program threw MSAA the support assistant does not crash.
The price of course is that you have to code an app to get this information. Chip has said he would look in to the matter. If he is not able to make an app witch is highly unlikely he is an excelant app maker I will at some point look in to this myself. Hth -----Original Message----- From: Micallef Michael at MITA [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2014 10:19 PM To: Jim Grimsby JR.; Chris G Cc: [email protected] Subject: RE: Getting rid of the ribbon and other similar topics was Re: windows xp was RE: Using the delete key was Re: Window-eyes on a Microsoft Tablet Hi Jim and Gw Micro Staff, Personally I already draw the attention of GW Micro regarding the fact that WE does not read the start menu generated by the "classic Shell" program, and the pity is that the competition like NVDA and Jaws are capable to read it. So Why WE is not capable to read it? Anyway, that question if for GW Micro to answer it! Thanks, Michael Micallef Dip I.T. Office in Charge of Web Accessibility Audits and ICT Training Malta Information Technology Accessibility (FITA) Gattard House. National Road, Blata Il-Bajda HMR 9010 Email: [email protected] Office: +356 2599 2343 Mob: +356 79421278 URL: http://www.fitamalta.eu FITA: http://www.fitamalta.eu Please read our Legal Notice: http://emailpolicy.mita.gov.mt Kindly consider your environmental responsibility before printing this e-mail -----Original Message----- From: Jim Grimsby JR. [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2014 22:06 To: 'Chris G' Cc: [email protected] Subject: RE: Getting rid of the ribbon and other similar topics was Re: windows xp was RE: Using the delete key was Re: Window-eyes on a Microsoft Tablet Yes but classic menu gives you the option to have a windows 9x start menu. A windows xp start menu or a windows 7 start menu. Also classic shell is more configurable then any of the others I have tested thus far. Also classic shell is open sorce and free software. The app needed should be relatively simple to write as all it will be doing is doing what window-eyes should be doing in the first place providing MSAA information about what is going on. The whole point of this whole thing was to show that you could upgrade to what ever operating system you want with out a learning curve. I have shown that but now this annoying issue with window-eyes and the best program for the job. Btw I installed 15 salutions before deciding that classic shell was indeed the best program for the job. After you get Classic menu for office and you bet menus and remove the windows 8 ribbon from explorer you would think you are using xp. I also got the old word pad working and it also removes the ribbon and goes back to the normal menu system. I don't have a salution for windows live mail yet. Hth -----Original Message----- From: Chris G [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2014 12:45 PM To: Jim Grimsby JR.; 'Chip Orange' Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: Getting rid of the ribbon and other similar topics was Re: windows xp was RE: Using the delete key was Re: Window-eyes on a Microsoft Tablet Hi, You can get startisback from www.startisback.com You can download a 30 day trial but the program is about $5. No app required, it just works with Window-eyes and other screen readers. As a matter of fact, it looks and feels like the Windows 7 start menu. Hear it in action here. http://www.mysticaccesspodcast.com/audio/mp56startisback.mp3 Mystic Access Where the magic is in learning. 733 Delaware Rd 341 Buffalo, NY 14223 Phone: 888-678-1433 Ext 101 Fax: 888-766-7985 Direct: (716) 965-5717 web: www.mysticaccess.com Podcast: www.mysticaccesspodcast.com Twitter: MysticAccess Twitter: JediKent On 1/12/2014 3:22 PM, Jim Grimsby JR. wrote: > Hi chip. I don't understand why classic shell doesn't work with > window-eyes. would this be a program you might consider writing an app > for. MSAA detective shows that it provides all the information from MSAA > that is needed to provide accessability. Every other screen reader I > have tried with it provides good enough access. Ok check boxes and > radio buttons are not read in the settings tree view as check boxes > and radio button. They are outline items, but this is not a show > stopper because you just need to select the option you want. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chip Orange [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2014 11:38 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: Getting rid of the ribbon and other similar topics was Re: > windows xp was RE: Using the delete key was Re: Window-eyes on a > Microsoft Tablet > > Yes, I agree completely Chris, and appreciate all the info placed here > which helps us use our software better with Window-Eyes. > > Chip > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2014 12:27 PM > To: Jim Grimsby JR.; 'David' > Cc: [email protected] > Subject: Getting rid of the ribbon and other similar topics was Re: > windows xp was RE: Using the delete key was Re: Window-eyes on a > Microsoft Tablet > > Perhaps some of this thread may have wandered off topic, but the > discussion on alterations to Windows 8.1 to make it easier for users > who prefer the classic look is most definitely on topic and personally > I would like to have > > some of this knowledge shared on the list. Why is it on topic? It has > bearing on how Window Eyes users can improve functionality of the > operating system. Just because the information can also benefit users > of other screen readers and non screen reader users does not mean it > has no connection for Window Eyes users. The topic, at least this > portion that is about the tools to modify the OS interface has direct > bearing on ease of use for some users of Window Eyes and thus is > germane to the list. Just the smallest example of > > how useful the information can be, the knowledge that Classic Shell > isn't compatible with Window Eyes could save some users a lot of > hassle and frustration since they will know not to even bother > downloading it and will not waste time reading up on how to set things > up with the app. > > Personally, as one who has never taken to the ribbon, I am not only > interested in how to get rid of it in as many areas as possible in > Windows 8, I would love it if there were ways to get rid of it in > Windows 7 and any applications in which it is possible to nix it, most > particularly Windows Live Mail would be so much nicer IMO without the ribbon. > > Regards, > > Chris > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Grimsby JR. > Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2014 2:57 AM > To: 'David' > Cc: [email protected] > Subject: RE: windows xp was RE: Using the delete key was Re: > Window-eyes on a Microsoft Tablet > > Hi david. I have been researching this matter. > Ok for office 2013 2010 to avoid the ribbon this app works good with > window-eyes. you can get the following two programs. Classic Menu. > For Office, or UBitMenu. This program works well with window-eyes > the keyboard shortcuts are a little strange but it is free. They also > have a version for outlook this is not free but you can get it with a > very small donation. For menu alternatives I have tried ClassicShell > this works with every screen reader as I already noted accept for > window-eyes. I will see if I can find another alternative. I do think > that gw micro should make an appp for this though because clearly this > is in high demand. > > The other information such as how to configure windows 8 to remove the > ribbon from windows explore doesn't have anything to do with > window-eyes and I did not elaborate on it here for that reason. Same > with configuring windows to not use the cloud and to use a local > account if you should want it to. It strays quite a bit off topic > and sertain people are already upset with me as it is for being as > they feel off topic. Out of respect for those people I am trying to > keep the conversation well within the scoap of programs that work and support window-eyes. > > > The research is not done yet. Trying only one or two options is > clearly not a devenative test. Classic shell is one that has > received hi reviews and this is the one I tested first. I new it > worked with NVDA simply because I put it on a clients computer who > wanted windows 8 but did not want the learning curve and she was using > NVDA. I was quite shocked to find that a program I have had good luck > with in the past simply didn't work with window-eyes. I then ran a > demo of jaws and presto it worked here to. > I will post more as more info becomes available. > Hth > -----Original Message----- > From: David [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2014 6:41 PM > To: Jim Grimsby JR.; 'Karyn Campbell' > Cc: [email protected] > Subject: Re: windows xp was RE: Using the delete key was Re: > Window-eyes on a Microsoft Tablet > > Jim, > I may be in the risk of misreading your messages a bit here. But, to > me, it seems you somehow are biting your own tail. > > Over and over, you have told us that we can just install some extra > things, and woopsy, there we have a touch and a feel that gives people > the XP look. > Well, I have searched the net, and found different add-ins and apps, > that promise you all of this. And, many a review, for the better or > the worse of this kind of products. So, I thought to ask the community > here. A couple of months ago, I did ask this very list for some > feedback on which of all those alternatives would work properly with > the screen reader. I even mentioned it to one of the local people > handling out computerized solutions for the visually impaired over > here. And what did I get back? A load of messages, telling me to > forget about most - if not all - of the alternatives. Still, I would > have liked someone to specifically tell what add-in I would have to > install, to get some of the feel from the old XP into my new computer. > I don't say I would continue to use it, but it may be a > stepping-stone, to climb the learning curve. And if you did not find > Windows8 to be any learning curve, then just lucky you. As me and many > others have already stated, even well-driven sighted users find it to > be a learning curve. Even Microsoft had to go back on a couple of > things, when releasing 8.1. Enjoy it if you can, but would you mind to please give us some exact info as to which extras to install, that would make the curve less steep, with Window-Eyes. > For many a user, another screen reader is not a real alternative, so > make sure you don't claim that things can be done, unless you know > they can be done with WE. Such info, would be useful. A load of > messages just claiming that things can be done, leaving the user a > feeling that he is silly he did not know better, doesn't help anyone. > Sorry, I am not saying that was your intention, far from that. Just > saying that some users may feel your banging argues that way. Likely > your argues are totally in place, but then please back them up with > some info, that the user can go right out there, download and install > some of the stuff, and really get help to climb the threshold of the modern computer. Please. > > And, just to be slightly joking with you. You asked why "on earth" a > user would not be upgrading? The many countries and parts of the world > that was mentioned in the examples, are all located right here on > Earth. Europe is actually part of even your world map... Smile. And, > the whole blind community, I do dare to say, still are walking right > here on earth. So, all the reasons you could read out of the messages > in this discussion, would be "on earth". Putting that statement in > your arguing the newest and highest, won't make the argues anything > more significant. Smile. Well, the jokey part will have its end here. > Think we all have seen more than a handful reasons, why upgrading may > still take a few weeks and even a couple of months. Till then, let us > all keep low-toned, and try to assist and encourage people to climb > the new waggon. True, there may be security risks in not upgrading. > Yet, there definitely is risks in the new versions as well, and some > of them are of a kind that I am not sure the security thing is all > that could be used for reasons to upgrade. > > You mentioned the Cloud saving. You told us, that it could just be > turned off. But sorry Sir, you did not tell us how this could be done. > And, I could have listed numerous reasons why cloud-saving would be a > security risk. Not to mention, that in many places around the globe, > saving sensitive information in the cloud, would be considered close > to personal infringement. Why, because of the security risks. So, > there again we have the "on earth" reason, why people may feel > reluctant to climb the ladder. > And, telling us that things can be done, and how, would maybe > encourage one or two more users to take the step. > > Again, people who want to upgrade, which may well enough have its "on earth" > > reasons in doing, and who do not want a steep learning curve, may wel > go for Win7. I have little info, from all I have seen, read and heard, > that there would be anything less secure in upgrading to Win7, > compared to Win8. And although Win7 is a curve, it may not be anything > more than the learning curve you experienced when version 7.5 of the > screen reader was introduced, and you got the new interface of the WE > Control Panel. Many like the new interface, some are still struggling > to find what they used to know, but we all have managed to use it. > Win7 may give you the same feeling, of not knowing how to do things, > but little by little you will get used to it. For the more daring > ones, go ahead and do your playing in Win8.1, then come back and give > us educated training in how to learn riding that beast. But please > don't argue that it is the only right way to go. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Grimsby JR." <[email protected]> > To: "'Karyn Campbell'" <[email protected]> > Cc: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2014 9:32 PM > Subject: RE: windows xp was RE: Using the delete key was Re: > Window-eyes on a Microsoft Tablet > > > Well if we are talking about a work situation then you don't have a > choice and there is nothing to talk about. Then of course it is not > your job to keep the system up to date or anything else. Then this > conversation does not apply to you and you can safely ignore it. if > on the other hand you are a home user then not updating is just a bad > choice and not updating to the latest that is out there is also a bad > choice. If it is the new interface that is your problem as I said you > can do things to work around this. I just to test it out maid my > windows 8 system look amazingly like xp. Of course there were a few advantages like I was able to run my windows 8 apps. > > I have a search box when I want it and so on. Now here is a question > for gw micro classic shell work wonderful with every other screen > reader how come nothing useful is read with window-eyes. I will look > and see if I can find other tools and utilitys to get this job done. > I think though gw micro should take a look at this program and make > window-eyes work with it. after all a number of your users are going > to be updating and they are going to want to keep the windows xp feel > and this is a grate program to accomplish this. > Hth > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Karyn Campbell [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2014 10:13 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: windows xp was RE: Using the delete key was Re: > Window-eyes on a Microsoft Tablet > > Jim, > > That is easier said than done when you are in a work situation, > especially when government is involved. Remember that government > tends to run with older technology. I speak from experience as I am > still on XP at work myself. > > Karyn Campbell, Illinois USA, [email protected] Using WE 84. on > Toshiba laptop running Windows 7 home premium 32-bit with Office 2007 > and IE 10 as well as Acer netbook running Windows 7 home premium > 64-bit with Office 2007 and IE 10 and Microsoft Security esentials on > both machines. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Grimsby JR. [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 11:50 PM > To: 'Duyahn Walker' > Cc: [email protected] > Subject: windows xp was RE: Using the delete key was Re: Window-eyes > on a Microsoft Tablet > > Well xp and outlook express will allow you to set up rules. Note > warning warning warning. Xp support ends on 04-14-2014. Generaly window-eyes > support ends for an operating system when Microsoft ends support for that > operating system. It would be a good idea to upgrade to a later > version of windows before support ends for the version you are using. > Note I have no first hand knolidge of gw micro's plans for xp I only > speak of what has happened in the past. Even if window-eyes support > doesn't end right away when the support from Microsoft does it is > important to note that no fixes for problems for this version of the windows operating system will be maid > after 04-14-2014. Once again I urge all xp users to upgrade at once. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Duyahn Walker [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 1:12 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Using the delete key was Re: Window-eyes on a Microsoft > Tablet > > Still using xp and Outlook express. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kevin Huber" <[email protected]> > To: "Duyahn Walker" <[email protected]> > Cc: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 1:27 PM > Subject: Re: Using the delete key was Re: Window-eyes on a Microsoft > Tablet > > >> Hi Duyahn: >> >> Here is a solution to the problem of having to hit the delete key for >> each message in a topic that you no longer want to read about. >> Your email client may have a method of deleting a conversation. For >> example, I use Gmail on the web and if I want to delete a >> conversation, I can check the box associated with the link to that >> conversation, and then just activate the delete button on the screen. >> I don't know if your email client has the ability to delete a >> conversation, but if it does, that will ease your frustration. >> I had to do this on one occasion not to long ago in another email list. >> I went to the table containing the links to the conversations, then >> for each conversation about the topic in question, I checked the box >> on that row. Once I checked all the boxes I needed to check, I >> navigated to the delete button and pressed the spacebar. >> As a result, all the messages about that topic disappeared. >> Kevin Huber >> >> /14, Duyahn Walker <[email protected]> wrote: >>> Really? I was out of line? Ok. Let's say I really got tired of the >>> fact that >>> >>> this subject in this thread kept coming up. Let's say i was really >>> nasty about it. Now, obviously, one of two things would happen. I >>> would either get >>> >>> warned about my conduct, or, i would be removed from the list >>> because of how >>> >>> offensive I was. I will not do any of that since it does not get me >>> friends. >>> >>> It just makes me look stupid if I were to act in this manner. So, I >>> will now >>> >>> just politely say, I will not ask or say anything else on this list. >>> Seems >>> that is the best course of action. >>> >>> God bless >>> >>> Duyahn >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Chris" <[email protected]> >>> To: "Rod Hutton" <[email protected]>; "Duyahn Walker" >>> <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 12:20 PM >>> Subject: Using the delete key was Re: Window-eyes on a Microsoft >>> Tablet >>> >>> >>>> While Duyahn's request was polite, it is really out of line, at >>>> lest as far as the main discussion goes. The main topic was and is >>>> on topic for the list, being a discussion relevant to Window Eyes. >>>> It may become tiring >>>> >>>> for people not interested in such a popular topic to continue >>>> deleting posts day after day, but people need to remember that 'I'm >>>> not interested >>>> >>>> in this topic', 'my interest in this topic has ended', and other >>>> such personal feelings and opinions do not equal off topic. Sorry, >>>> but the definition of off topic is pretty specific and frankly, it >>>> is out of line >>>> >>>> for even a moderator to shut down an on topic discussion. I can't >>>> count the number of threads I am sick of that I continue to delete >>>> day after day >>>> >>>> from various lists, but that is the nature of lists. This isn't >>>> meant as an admonishment or anything, when a widely popular topic >>>> that one isn't interested in continues for a long time it can be >>>> easy to get sick of it and lose track of whether or not the >>>> discussion is on topic. The popularity of this discussion is an >>>> indication of the membership's interest in Windows tablets and >>>> touch support. This means that the topic, >>>> >>>> even when this discussion peters out, is not going anywhere and >>>> members who are not interested should brace themselves for it to >>>> come back from time to time. >>>> >>>> >>>> On the wandering of the discussion, we all offend in this area I >>>> think, I >>>> >>>> know I often forget, but if possible one should always try to >>>> remember when shifting to a side discussion to alter the subject >>>> line to reflect both the new topic and the fact that it branched >>>> from > another topic. >>>> This >>>> >>>> allows folks to decide if they are interested in reading the new >>>> topic or >>>> >>>> if they want to skip the tangent. >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> Chris >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Rod Hutton >>>> Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 8:50 AM >>>> To: Duyahn Walker ; [email protected] >>>> Subject: Re: Window-eyes on a Microsoft Tablet >>>> >>>> Hi Duyahn, >>>> >>>> Your point is legit, but if you actually delve into the message you >>>> will find that they're not talking about the subject line anymore. >>>> >>>> I know it takes time, but if you don't want to be fooled by the >>>> subject lines, you have to read every message. smile >>>> >>>> hth, >>>> >>>> Rod >>>> >>>> On 1/10/14 1:14 AM, Duyahn Walker wrote: >>>>> Can we please put this subject to rest? Hitting the delete key for >>>>> over a >>>>> >>>>> week now is getting quite annoying and old. And, I am asking quite >>>>> nicely. >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sky Mundell" <[email protected]> >>>>> To: "'Tom Kingston'" <[email protected]> >>>>> Cc: <[email protected]> >>>>> Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 12:01 AM >>>>> Subject: RE: Window-eyes on a Microsoft Tablet >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hi Tom, I do apologize. I thought it was we, not the plugin. Its >>>>> funny how nvda, jaws, and system access seem to work well with it >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Tom Kingston [mailto:[email protected]] >>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2014 9:59 PM >>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>> Subject: Re: Window-eyes on a Microsoft Tablet >>>>> >>>>> Just a side note regarding ReaAccess. Window-Eyes is not causing >>>>> it to crash. I decompiled ReaAccess and the programmer ignorantly >>>>> hard coded the path (at that time) to Window-Eyes instead of using >>>>> the environment variable that any programmer with half a brain >>>>> would have known enough to >>>>> >>>>> use, or at least included the proper error checking and used an >>>>> alternative method, such as searching. And because he's trying to >>>>> access >>>>> >>>>> an interface that does not exist and he hasn't even checked to see >>>>> if it >>>>> >>>>> exists ReaAccess blows up. >>>>> >>>>> And be it that he's abandoned the project there is nothing that >>>>> can be done other than someone else rewriting ReaAccess. >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> Tom >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 1/10/2014 12:35 AM, Sky Mundell wrote: >>>>>> Hello Jim, I have to agree with you. You do not have to buy >>>>>> another licence just to run we, unlike JAWS. I had that problem >>>>>> too, and I wanted to go to WE, but the problem was that at that >>>>>> time we were concerned that it would not work with the stuff I >>>>>> wanted. I want to be a audio engineer as I am a blind musician, >>>>>> and I am using Sonar with CakeTalking from dancing dots, however >>>>>> as I said I am now using reaper with ReaAccess, though We causes >>>>>> it to crash. So, for my job, I'll have >>>>>> >>>>>> to push back a bit. >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: Jim Grimsby JR. [mailto:[email protected]] >>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2014 1:44 PM >>>>>> To: 'josh n rivera' >>>>>> Cc: [email protected] >>>>>> Subject: RE: Window-eyes on a Microsoft Tablet >>>>>> >>>>>> Windows pro is the most popular version of windows 8.1. it is the >>>>>> version of windows that most of us windows 8 users are running on >>>>>> our desktops. Another wonderful point in favor of window-eyes no >>>>>> matter what version of windows you are running window-eyes will >>>>>> work with it. you buy window-eyes no price change just because >>>>>> you want to run pro verces home. >>>>>> Hth >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: josh n rivera [mailto:[email protected]] >>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2014 1:12 PM >>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>> Subject: Re: Window-eyes on a Microsoft Tablet >>>>>> >>>>>> Pardon my asking, Jim, but what is windows pro? >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, 7 Jan 2014 13:01:02 -0800 "Jim Grimsby JR." >>>>>> <[email protected]> writes: >>>>>>> Well windows pro is what I am using to write this message. >>>>>>> While I don't have window-eyes loaded right now I do use it on >>>>>>> this pc quite a lot. When not if but when Microsoft does what >>>>>>> they have to do to stay alive there will be nothing for gw micro >>>>>>> to do accept maybe add support for a few new programs. No big >>>>>>> deal. It is going to happen it has to. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: Pat Ferguson [mailto:[email protected]] >>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2014 12:55 PM >>>>>>> To: Jim Grimsby JR. >>>>>>> Subject: RE: Window-eyes on a Microsoft Tablet >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You are correct about the future of PC's. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I still have my Windows 7 Desktop computer running Window-Eyes >>>>>>> 8.0.4 and it's not a huge desktop, either. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I wanted a laptop, but I like the idea of a tablet more and >>>>>>> more, as long as I could have a Bluetooth keyboard and the >>>>>>> loving > Window-Eyes. >>>>>>> I'm still using my old Motorola Q9C cell phone with Mobile Speak >>>>>>> on it. lol. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It will be great if Microsoft makes Windows Pro accessible and >>>>>>> if Window-Eyes can adapt to that. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I do also love the idea of using a keyboard or touch screen. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Great thoughts, and very true ones. <smile> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks much. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Many Blessings, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Pat Ferguson >>>>>>> "I can Do all Things Through Christ Who Strengthens Me." >>>>>>> Phillippians 4:13. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> At 02:36 PM 1/7/2014, you wrote: >>>>>>>> Well pat there is hope then. Gw micro will add touch. They >>>>>>>> have >>>>>>> to. >>>>>>>> Then windows pro will be coming soon to a phone near you. It >>>>>>>> has >>>>>>> to. >>>>>>>> Microsoft has two choices at this point. Get in to the phone >>>>>>>> with >>>>>>> pro >>>>>>>> where there are real advantages or go and become big blue and >>>>>>>> do b >>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> b. pc sells will hit rock bottom this year and Microsoft knows it. >>>>>>> look >>>>>>>> at what acer and del are doing right now. They know it to and >>>>>>>> they >>>>>>> are >>>>>>>> scrambleing to get in to the mobile world in a new way. >>>>>>>> Microsoft >>>>>>> has >>>>>>>> no plans to upgraid windows phone so they have to do something. >>>>>>>> It >>>>>>>> will be windows pro on a phone and windows rt on a phone. We >>>>>>>> of course will want windows pro. Then we will have window-eyes >>>>>>>> with >>>>>>> touch >>>>>>>> support and all that great keyboard support from windows on >>>>>>>> our >>>>>>> phones >>>>>>>> using the Bluetooth keyboard. Best of both worlds if you ask me. >>>>>>> More >>>>>>>> and more windows apps will become accessable the new laws will >>>>>>> force >>>>>>>> Microsoft to push for this and you won't be living in the >>>>>>>> walled >>>>>>> garden >>>>>>>> that is IOS and you will have choices on what access tech you >>>>>>>> use unlike on Iphone or android. As you know I have been quite >>>>>>>> vocal on android accessability not that it is bad it is ok. It >>>>>>>> needs a lot >>>>>>> of >>>>>>>> help though. The nice thing about a windows pro phone is this. >>>>>>> you >>>>>>>> don't have to choose between android and windows. Just run >>>>>>>> them >>>>>>> dool boot >>>>>>> and have them both. It will be all about choice. Bring it on I say. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> From: Pat Ferguson [mailto:[email protected]] >>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2014 11:56 AM >>>>>>>> To: David Plumlee >>>>>>>> Cc: [email protected] >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Window-eyes on a Microsoft Tablet >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I had an Android tablet for about 3 weeks in December, and I >>>>>>> wouldn't >>>>>>>> trade a keyboard with a laptop or any computer. The touch >>>>>>>> screen jestures for the Android were not that great. I sent the >>>>>>>> tablet >>>>>>> back. >>>>>>>> It was a lesson learned. No tablets for me with out a keyboard. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I do think the IOS is better on the Jestures, however. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I know someone who has a Windows Tablet running Window-Eyes >>>>>>>> with a >>>>>>> keyboard. >>>>>>>> I wouldn't mind that. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks much. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Many Blessings, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Pat Ferguson >>>>>>>> "I can Do all Things Through Christ Who Strengthens Me." >>>>>>> Phillippians 4:13. >>>>>>>> At 11:20 PM 1/6/2014, you wrote: >>>>>>>>> I must admit at the outset a bias on my part: I am a >>>>>>>>> confirmed >>>>>>> knob >>>>>>>>> freak at age 69. I have also operated the Apple IPhone with >>>>>>>>> all >>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>> its gestures and touch operations; and for my part, nothing >>>>>>>>> beats >>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>> good solid mechanical keyboard with real buttons that you can >>>>>>> press >>>>>>>>> to reliably get what you want! Perhaps touch screens will >>>>>>>>> become >>>>>>> more >>>>>>>>> reliable as they improve; but I don't think I'd want to use a >>>>>>> tablet >>>>>>>>> computer as long as I could have something with real buttons >>>>>>>>> to operate. Granted, the modern PC has no knobs; but the >>>>>>>>> buttons generally carry the same reliability that you can get >>>>>>>>> from knobs >>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>> turn. >>>>>>>>> But for those who want touch, gestures, and all that, I >>>>>>>>> sincerely hope that Window-Eyes can someday soon run on such >>>>>>>>> equipment. >>>>>>> For my >>>>>>>>> part, though, give me knobs and buttons! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris H" >>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> To: "Kevin Huber" <[email protected]>; "gw-info" >>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, January 06, 2014 2:49 PM >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Window-eyes on a Microsoft Tablet >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi >>>>>>>>>> probably not, Window-Eyes does not work with touch currently. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Regards Chris >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 06/01/2014 19:58, Kevin Huber wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> Hi: >>>>>>>>>>> Can anyone tell me if Window-eyes 8 works on one of those >>>>>>> Microsoft >>>>>>>>>>> Windows 8 tablets? If so, which tablets does Window-eyes >>>>>>>>>>> work >>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>>> and which ones does it not work with? >>>>>>>>>>> Kevin Huber >>>>>>>>>>> If you reply to this message it will be delivered to the >>>>>>> original >>>>>>>>>>> sender only. If your reply would benefit others on the list >>>>>>>>>>> and your message is related to GW Micro, then please >>>>>>>>>>> consider >>>>>>> sending >>>>>>>>>>> your message to [email protected] so the entire list will >>>>>>> receive it. >>>>>>>>>>> GW-Info messages are archived at >>>>>>> http://www.gwmicro.com/gwinfo. >>>>>>>>>>> You can manage your list subscription at >>>>>>> http://www.gwmicro.com/listserv. >>>>>>>>>> If you reply to this message it will be delivered to the >>>>>>> original >>>>>>>>>> sender only. 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