Well, in that case, why bother with Window-Eyes in the first place?
AI Squared resources could be allocated to other projects since there
are at least 3 screen readers on the market to choose from. Some,
nay, many would contend that JFW and NVDA are in their own ways
superior to Window-Eyes. So, why expend resources on development of a
redundant product. you as a user may not have been aware of accessing
Windows in a way other than with Window-Eyes, so I'm just pointing
them out to you. *smile*
And why stop there? Why bother with computers at all? Let's all
use good old fashioned braille frames that never need updating. No
need for SMAs there. No waste of resources. Instead we could get the
nearest sighted person to manage our emails or pay our utility bills online.
Ridiculous? yes, and a natural extension of your logic, Jim.
At 00:00 28/11/2014, you wrote:
Hi Sam,
Dealing with issues as to why you might need a thing or in some
cases finding out what works best for people is a very useful
conversation. You are dealing with a limited amount of resources
thus things need to be allocated a priority. Also in some cases a
user might have never thought to do a thing in a way that is being
described. There for asking why would you want to do that is quite
helpful. Let's take your example of dealing with rss and
formatting. I had never thought of that situation so I learned something new.
Does the program you are working with support the ability to paste
text only, or keep source text? Microsoft word for example, and
most word processers do support this. This question is being
asked, because if you can use the internal utilities of the program
you are working with to perform this task then it doesn't make sense
to add this functionality to window-eyes. If that is the case then
the window-eyes team would be better served adding more important
features that allow you to perform tasks that cannot be performed
now, or addressing an actual accessibility issue.
-----Original Message-----
From: Sam Bushman [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2014 12:31 PM
To: 'Tom Kingston'; 'gw-info'
Subject: RE: Selecting text
Hi tom,
I am ok with the beta not having everything.
I am find with:
Shift-Arrow selection is coming ... just not yesterday.
I am also fine with adding f8 to make it easier to block large
amounts of text ... I am also fine with a feature that gets all the
formatting. That's fantastic.
I just think that the ability to deal in WE with text only has value.
So, maybe in a future release that can be an option.
The thing I don't like the most is the debate of who can do what
faster, the you don't need that, the why would you ever want to do
that stuff from some posters gets old.
Thanks for listening.
Sam
-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Kingston [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2014 1:26 PM
To: gw-info
Subject: Re: Selecting text
As we've tried to say, Shift-Arrow selection is coming ... just not
yesterday.
Tom
On 11/26/2014 3:21 PM, Sam Bushman wrote:
> I find it sad that instead of trying to make things work the best
we can for all users, instead of sticking with the windows
standards, instead of finding better ways to do things, instead of
building in the best we can to the program ... we are all arguing
keystrokes ... telling others you don't need that ... why the hell
do you want to do that ... don't you know how to solve problems etc
... it's amazing and sad to me.
> I can do this faster than you can, my dad is stronger than your
da ... it's frickin crazy!
> Sam
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tom Kingston [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2014 1:17 PM
> To: gw-info
> Subject: Re: Selecting text
>
> Aaron. You forgot to assign a hot key to Notepad and shave a few more
> seconds off your time. And I thought you were a power user. :)
>
> Tom
>
>
> On 11/26/2014 3:12 PM, Aaron Smith wrote:
>> On my machine, given the time it takes to shut Window-Eyes down,
launch NVDA, refresh the page (since NVDA typically doesn't like
being launched on an existing page), locate the text, select it,
copy it, close NVDA, re-launch Window-Eyes, then find where I
wanted to paste it, then paste it, the difference is at least 30
seconds. Whereas Windows-R, notepad, enter, paste, control-a,
control-x, alt-f4 takes me literally seconds.
>>
>> But, as I mentioned, if that's drives your success, then all the
power in the world to you.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Aaron
>>
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