Hi Aaron: I will start taking some notes. I know the Forms Designers are bad. I think they might be wysiwyg or some other graphical thingy. That might include the DataBase Designer as well but it's been some time since I've used it. I personally don't need the moving around options but need to be able to read what controls have been dropped on the form and not just hear Custom Control for many of them. I'll post up things as I get enough detail so you can take a look. I'm just going from memory here and don't want to waste your time with generalities.
I'm also pretty tied up just now but will, hopefully, get started soon.
Rick USA

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