Hi Rick: I have made the suggestion of including the Install Packages script by default and the answer that I got from GW Micro was essentially that since they didn't write that script themselves, it would not be fair to include it. Kevin Huber
On 4/8/10, David <[email protected]> wrote: > And yet, even staff members have suggested using the InstallPackages script. > Well, if they encourage it, and it works stable, why not just include it? I > do agree, things like this should have been automatically a part of a > standard installation of WE. Honestly, how much easier is it, when a new > user, who might not evne be that familiar with computing itself, simply can > press a hotkey, and there he goes, and can handle his scripts. Or the other > scripts mentioned here, which GREATLY will improve the functionality of WE. > OK, I agree, there is a long line of scripts, that only you need when - and > if - you are running certain applications, and really want a given set of > features. Yet, there is a good handful of scripts, that could be defined as > more or less BASIC, when comes to increasing the functionality of WE. The > InstallPackages, or the HomerShared, is just to mention two, since both of > these would give a good stepstone for further script exploring. > > Again, I do see the point about support. Maybe some of the staff is more > rightly to answer this question, but really, how often do they give support > on these scripts, in real life? Ain't it so, that most of the 'support' on > scripts, are given through the mailing lists, anyway. And, if so, where does > the point about not including those scripts go? > > At least, why is there nowhere in WE, a menu choice or something, that would > take you right to SC? If GW do not want to include the InstallPackage > script, at least such a quick-to-get-there choice, would have been > beneficial for many a new user. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jeff Bishop > To: [email protected] > Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 7:44 AM > Subject: RE: hotspot 3.0 is majorlly cool. > > > Scripts developed by third-party developers will basically then have to be > supported by GW Micro staff. I don't think that is such a good idea > honestly. They have enough on their plate. > > > > > > From: jim grimsby Jr. [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 10:18 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: hotspot 3.0 is majorlly cool. > > > > because there are quite a few of them that new users are not going to use. > lets take the window-eyes scripting framework script for example. most > users are not going to use that. another example along this vain is the > window tree view script. the im window script. some people may or may not > want we sounds for example. so the scripts they include should enhance the > feature set of window-eyes and still offer choice to the user. hotspot is > one of these types of scripts. I am going to argue once again for gw micro > including some 3rd party scripts. these will include install packages. > this will provide the new user a means of getting more scripts with out > knowing or caring how to deal with sc. > > focus controls. activate window. these scripts go a long way at times > to make programs that are not accessible with out them accessible. > > elaquence fix. this script will avoid crashes with elaquence. > > so it should be installed buy default so once again the user has this > protection in place. > > everything else we can get from the install packages witch as I said > should be included with window-eyes. > > From: Chip Orange > > Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 5:14 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: RE: hotspot 3.0 is majorlly cool. > > > > I'm not sure why GW wouldn't include every script they've written with WE? > They're all useful, and why make users go get them? And of course, > including them helps new users who may be unfamiliar with SC. > > > > Chip > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > From: Rick Alfaro [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 5:28 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: hotspot 3.0 is majorlly cool. > > I agree 100%. There is more power here than folks can imagine. This > should definitely be included in the factory scripts. > > > > I'll give an example that I just put together in less than 3 minutes. > > > > If you use Outlook 2007, you will know how annoying it is to read an html > message. For best results one has to tell Outlook to open the message in > your browser. This is normally accomplished by doing the following key > sequence. > > Alt-h then x then v. > > > > I just solved my problem by creating a new HotSpot definition that I > assigned to Windows o. > > 1. Make sure you are in Outlook 2007 with an html message open. > > 2. Bring up the new hotspot dialog, default key is alt control p. > > 3. Give it a name, I called it "Open in browser". > > 4. Assign this definition to a key, I used Windows o. > > 5. Tab over to add action and press enter. > > 6. Choose insert key from the list of actions and press enter. > > 7. You will be in a dialog you are used to seeing when defining a > new hotkey. Press alt c to capture the keystroke and when prompted to type > the key, hit alt h. > > 8. Repeat the same thing to add x and v as insert key actions. > > 9. Tab over to add and hit enter. > > 10. You're done so test it out by hitting Windows o or whatever key you > decided to assign this definition to. > > > > The html message should now open into your browser with just one > keystroke. > > > > This works on my system but you may need to tweak this to work on yours by > possibly adding a couple of delays. I didn't need to do that however. > > > > Within the new hotspot dialog you probably noticed some other edit boxes > and buttons that deal with the mouse position. For this example, those can > be ignored because this HotSpot does absolutely nothing with the mouse > pointer. > > > > That in fact, is part of the point of this message. Although HotSpot was > originally created to do things with the mouse, that is no longer the case. > HotSpot 3.0 goes way beyond that now and gives us a whole lot of power in > one easy to use script. Those of us that are not scripters can really do > some cool stuff now beyond what was possible with set files. > > > > Also, if you are an Adaptive Technology Consultant and have run into > situations where set files wouldn't cut it, try using HotSpot 3.0 to > possibly create a solution before trying to get a script written. You might > be pleasantly surprised. > > > > > > --Regards, > > > > --Rick alfaro > > [email protected] > > > > From: Vic Beckley [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 4:13 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: hotspot 3.0 is majorlly cool. > > > > Aaron, > > > > I second the thought that Hot Spot should be included by default with > Window-Eyes 7.2. It is one of the most impressive scripts to date! > > > > Vic > > > > > > From: Aaron Smith [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 3:47 PM > Cc: gw-info; [email protected] > Subject: Re: hotspot 3.0 is majorlly cool. > > > > Jim, > > Glad to hear you're having success with HotSpot. To address your issues: > > 1. Key Describer - That was an oversight on my part. I'll get that fixed. > 2. Old HotSpots - Correct. They don't port over. I mention that in the > package information dialog during the installation. It seemed to me that it > was more work that necessary since I don't think this script was used by > that many people in past versions. > 3. Adding Actions while Adding HotSpots - You should definitely be able to > add actions when adding a HotSpot, as that's how I did all my testing. Can > you give me any more detail? > > Thanks for the feedback. > > Aaron > > On 4/7/2010 3:18 PM, jim grimsby Jr. wrote: > > HI, BEEN PLAYING WITH THIS SCRIPT FOR A WHILE NOW AND IT IS MAJORLLY > COOL!!!!! with windows live mail using the find string feature the view > online button is always found to open rss articals. maid moving around the > skype user interface a breaze. just two name two things I have done with it > so far. > > ok now I hate to do it but I have to point out a few things here. not > really bad things but things that might need to be addressed. please note I > hate to do it because I love this script so much. > > first while in the key describer the hot spot script should not act on hot > spots keys. what it should do is say the name of the hot spot and indicate > that it is a hot spot. for example view online hotspot. > > ok old hot spots don't carry out the acctions defined you have to add the > actions back buy using the hot spot manager. > > also adding actions while adding a hot spot doesn't seem to work. you can > only add actions from the hot spot manager. > > other then that man it is wonderful. > > oh one more thing I think this script should be included buy default in > window-eyes 7.2. it is an enhancement that most users are going to want. > > > > If you reply to this message it will be delivered to the original sender > only. 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