Hi Vic,
Yes, for there is no focus for menu items inside the we apps.
but, there is a way around this and did not think of it today when
making all my changes and corrections. I can test my way around it before
uploading to see if it works.
In the menu and you do hit the alt key, just hit the e key for edit
menu, or v key for view menu, instead of arrowing around. This will fix it a
little for you.
Like in my edit menu I have to A options for the alarm, so you hit alt
key, then e key then a key once or twice, this will bring up first the time
setting then the second time the sound file for the alarm editing...
I discovered that you can not adjust the count chime because I never
changed it from the default sound, thus no adjustment will be seen, saved
yes, but never used. That is now fixed.
I still worry about the sleep mode, but in the future I am changing the
entire idea on how to do it. Just using existing at the moment and may still
have hitches. Let me know if it has problems.
So I will check my hotkey idea and see what it does.
Bruce
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 7:16 PM
Subject: Re: Cuckoo Clock Ready for Upload
Bruce,
What I am talking about is the fact that you can't press Alt-E to pull downh
the Edit menu. You have to press the alt key by itself to activate the menu
bar first and then arrow around.. I have not seen this in any WE-created
dialogs before. It is happening that way onh 2 machines, both running
Windows 7 64-bit. Is this happening for you?
Vic
-----Original Message-----
From: Doug Geoffray
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 11:14 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Cuckoo Clock Ready for Upload
Bruce,
I can't speak for Vic but, well, I'll try <smile>. I'm sure he wasn't
talking about a hotkey to take you to the specific pulldown menu. I'm
guessing he was just talking about a hotkey that would do the same thing
without having to go into the menus. I've never seen any application
that gave a hotkey to go to some pulldown off the main menu bar. I'm
not talking alt-f for file, I'm talking about some option off the file
menu that opens a pulldown. That just doesn't make sense to me. But it
is very common to have shortcuts or hotkeys to do the same thing a menu
option offers.
Doug
On 6/13/2011 3:35 PM, BT wrote:
> Hi Doug,
>
> Vic had asked why I did not add hotkeys to get to menus so I
> responded
> with the lack of a focus to a menuItem in the menu methods.
>
> I was assuming that he may of wanted a hotkey to get to either the
> clocks menu or announce menu or something like that. You know, like the
> alt
> F key combination to get to the file menu or other menu items in a
> standard
> menu.
>
> For the menu list is limited to checked and things like that, but no
> focus method.
>
> Not a major deal for me, just others thoughts.
>
> Bruce
>
> Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 10:57 AM
> Subject: Re: Cuckoo Clock Ready for Upload
>
>
> Bruce,
>
> You said: "...since Doug and them said they did not want to expose
> menu's items I am limited on using hotkeys for it, since there is no
> focus option."
>
> Can you explain what you mean by this? I don't understand why in your
> own menu you need menu items and without them you are forced to hotkeys.
>
> Doug
>
>
> On 6/12/2011 4:08 PM, BT wrote:
>> Hi Vic,
>>
>> There is only one chime on the hour if you select chime only and in
>> the
>> edit menu it states top of the hour. I guess poor wording on my part.
>>
>> Another issue, since Doug and them said they did not want to expose
>> menu's items I am limited on using hotkeys for it, since there is no
>> focus
>> option. but, I have added the Escape and F4 options to get out of the
>> menu,
>> since there is a dialog close command easy to get to.
>>
>> Now, I can also change the ChimeOnly to say Top Of the Hour Chime
>> Only
>> to make it read easier. After all that is what I did in the edit menu.
>>
>> I think to get around most issues is to eventually get out of using
>> a
>> menu and having a list. For there is very few options to use in a menu.
>> For
>> it would be nice to be able to jumped to a given menu item from a hotkey
>> instead of using a minimum of 2 keystrokes. In other words have at least
>> a
>> focus property.
>>
>> So maybe I will have something to upload today unless there more of
>> those pesky Active X errors that crop up when the menu does not like what
>> I
>> did...
>>
>> Bruce
>>
>>
>> Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2011 3:20 PM
>> Subject: RE: Cuckoo Clock Ready for Upload
>>
>>
>> Bruce,
>>
>> Yes. Changing the path got my sounds working. I am not clear on what the
>> chime and chime only settings are supposed to do. When I set it to chime
>> only, I hear just one chime. I thought this was supposed to chime the
>> number
>> of times for the hour. When I set it to chime and count, I hear the
>> number
>> of chimes for the hour, but not any indication of the count. Is that what
>> is
>> supposed to be happening?
>>
>> BTW: It is triggering correctly. My earlier complaint about not
>> triggering
>> was not correct after I re-installed.
>>
>> Great job!!!!! I look forward to the update.
>>
>> Vic
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: BT [mailto:[email protected]]
>> Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2011 8:18 AM
>> To: [email protected]
>> Subject: Re: Cuckoo Clock Ready for Upload
>>
>> Hi Again Vic,
>>
>> The problem with the .wav files is the path to find them is my path
>> and
>> yours I am sure is different.
>>
>> I think the easiest fix is for you to go into each sound edit and
>> the
>> default will come up for your sound file. It is using the path of my
>> computer in the .ini file and probably my mistake not thinking it would
>> be
>> a
>>
>> problem.
>> For I should have not had any sounds and let it find the defaults
>> when
>> first looking at the InitCuckooClock procedure, then all of this would
>> have
>> been no issue.
>>
>> So, now when packaging up my fixes and your suggestions today, I
>> will
>> get rid of all my settings in the .ini file and let the init section do
>> it.
>>
>> Sorry about the hassle and my rush to get it out. but, that is the
>> way
>> to find out the obvious mistakes a programmer works around when
>> programming.
>>
>> I was going to change the files for voice and the 45 may be a merge
>> instead of other files to even get off beat times instead of just
>> quarter/half hour voices. Something I was going to add later but may do
>> it
>> now.
>>
>> My issue last night instead of coming up a fatal error finally came
>> up
>> with the line number. I had fallen asleep and changed just one variable
>> name
>>
>> by adding a t at the beginning. But, kept coming up with nasty fatal
>> Active
>> X error that got or went no where beyond the error itself. so just a few
>> minutes ago when powering up it did tell me the line and sure enough it
>> was
>> inside the sleep procedure I was playing with and had settings that would
>> have triggered it then last night and that is where it fell apart...
>> Thank god for the Option Explicit command...
>>
>> So, vic try the editing of all the sound files and letting it do
>> the
>> defaults inside the brows command and save them and I think that will fix
>> the sound problems except the 45 one. When making it I had all 60 voices
>> and
>>
>> got conservative in how large I wanted the wav files and that one got
>> shrunk...
>> Time to get ready for Sunday School adult class...
>> Bruce
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2011 8:05 PM
>> Subject: RE: Cuckoo Clock Ready for Upload
>>
>>
>> Bruce,
>>
>> I think this app has great potential, but needs a few rough edges worked
>> out
>> yet. It is not working very well for me here on Windows 7 SP1 X64. Here
>> are
>> the problems I am having.
>>
>> When I first installed the app, I disabled the following menu items:
>> Alarm
>> Enable, Date/Time Enhancement, and Rooster Wakeup Enable. I left the
>> clock
>> set to Quarter Hour chime. On the edit menu I set the Sleep Time to 11:00
>> PM
>> and the Wakeup Time to 8:00 AM. On the Announcement menu, I left it set
>> for
>> Chime and Female.
>>
>> When it does announce the time, which it does not seem to do regularly, I
>> only hear the female voice, not the chimes. If I choose Test
>> Announcement,
>> I
>> again only hear the female voice, not the chimes. I did not change any of
>> the default sounds.
>>
>> If I set it to Chime Only and do a test, I hear nothing.
>>
>> If I set it to Chime and Count and do a test, I hear only the chimes.
>>
>> If I set it to Chime and Male or Chime and Female and test, I hear only
>> the
>> specified voice, not the chimes.
>>
>> The male 45 sound is not the same as the rest of the sounds.
>>
>> If I set it to Male Only or Female Only and test, it seems to work
>> correctly.
>>
>> There are also several issues with the dialog that I don't understand:
>>
>> You can't press Alt-C to bring up the Clock menu even though C is
>> announced
>> as the hot key. The other menu hot keys do not work as well.
>>
>> When you have the dialog up and alt-tab to it, the Alt key does not bring
>> up
>> the menu the first time you press it. You have to press it at least twice
>> to
>> bring up the menus.
>>
>> You can't just press Escape to exit the dialog. Alt-F4 does not work
>> either.
>> The only way I have found to close the dialog is to open the Clock menu
>> and
>> choose the Exit choice. This is a nuisance, especially since it is so
>> hard
>> to get into the menus in the first place.
>>
>> For some reason, it seems to take longer than usual to bring up the
>> dialog.
>>
>> I just re-installed and all these issues still exist, but it seems as
>> though
>> the announcement is firing better.
>>
>> This is purely based on my experience with the app and I hope you will
>> take
>> this as constructive criticism as it is meant, not putting down your app.
>> Let me know if you can duplicate any or all of these issues.
>>
>> Thanks for all your effort in putting out this full-featured app.
>>
>> Vic
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: BT [mailto:[email protected]]
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2011 12:49 PM
>> To: [email protected]
>> Subject: Cuckoo Clock Ready for Upload
>>
>>
>> Hi!
>>
>> My cuckoo Clock version 1.0 is ready for upload now.
>>
>> In this app you will have a menu consisting of:
>> Clocks Settings to turn on/off all options for sleep, alarm and even noon
>> whistle.
>> In that menu is a chime option for once an hour, every half hour
>> and
>> every quarter hour.
>>
>> The app starts with the Rooster Crowing, it indicates it is running but
>> that
>>
>> alert can be shut off in the clocks menu.
>>
>> It has some of the features of the old Hourly Chime program and
>> many
>> new
>>
>> aspects.
>>
>> In the edit menu you can change the files you wish to use for your
>> alerts to make sounds, such as the Cuckoo clock itself.
>>
>> Those sound files require a certain number of seconds to run and
>> that
>> also must be entered.
>> So for editing sound files you will have a path, file name, and
>> duration
>>
>> of play time in tenths of a second to enter; (seconds is a combo box
>> choice
>> and requiring no entry.)
>> There is also the edit option for setting the sleep time, wakeup
>> time,
>> and a alarm that runs separate from the others to give you an alert for a
>> specific time of day. All those entries are a combo box selection as
>> well.
>>
>> The sleep mode will turn on and shut off the chiming of the
>> program.
>> When wakeup happens the Rooster crows, or a sound of your choosing.
>> That Rooster also can be shut off if you just want it to wakeup and
>> say
>> nothing as I had mentioned earlier.
>>
>> There is a format menu which is only for the 12 verses the 24 hour
>> format, which ever you wish; default is 12 hour.
>>
>> So, next is to get it uploaded and for everyone to find all the
>> bugs
>> in
>> it...
>>
>> Sincerely
>> Bruce
>>
