OK, I'll do the update. I just didn't want to do an update and say things were fixed if indeed they aren't fixed yet and then users will still complain.
Best Regards, J.J. Meddaugh A T Guys Your Assistive Technology Experts (269) 216-4798 http://www.ATGuys.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Doug Geoffray To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, June 24, 2011 8:37 AM Subject: Re: Issue with Quick Quit J.J., I would suggest doing it immediately. By queuing the call it allows Window-Eyes to shut down cleanly all the time. There is a timing issue if the dialog comes up while Window-Eyes is in the process of shutting down. Vic's profile could duplicate this easily although not 100 percet. The updated Window-Eyes will stop the dialog completely from coming up but in the mean time you doing the queue will get rid of the timing issue of shutting down cleanly. You know, another option is you get the current hotkey for the shutdown (which will be global) and just register your own hotkey with that keystroke. App hotkeys win out if there is a conflict of hotkeys which means you would see the keypress and than just do a Quit from there. This way you don't have to worry about the dialog at all because Window-Eyes itself won't see it as a hotkey. Doug On 6/23/2011 5:27 PM, J.J. Meddaugh wrote: OK. I'll release it when the WE that fixes the bug is released. Best Regards, J.J. Meddaugh A T Guys Your Assistive Technology Experts (269) 216-4798 http://www.ATGuys.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Doug Geoffray To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 4:57 PM Subject: Re: Issue with Quick Quit J.J., Yes, you are vindicated but I would still change the following two things: 1) Queue quickQuit instead of calling it directly in your event handler 2) Make sure you set the default return value to your OnHotkey callback so you know what you are returning if your if doesn't happen. Doug On 6/23/2011 4:40 PM, J.J. Meddaugh wrote: Awesome. Does this mean I'm vindicated, or do I still need to update the app? Yes, I'll fix that one thing you were talking about. Best Regards, J.J. Meddaugh A T Guys Your Assistive Technology Experts (269) 216-4798 http://www.ATGuys.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Vic Beckley To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 4:34 PM Subject: RE: Issue with Quick Quit Sounds great! Thank you Doug for figuring it out. This has been this way for I don't know how long. I haven't been able to use the quickQuit app for quite some time now. Vic From: Doug Geoffray [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 3:57 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Issue with Quick Quit Vic, Thanks for sending your default profile. I could very easily duplicate the problem with your profile. The problem is the close dialog comes up. Other than being annoying it doesn't really matter but it shouldn't have been coming up. I noticed if I left all your apps (and you've got a lot of them <smile>) enabled except for Read To Me the problem went away. Guess what Read to Me hooks? That's right, it also hooks OnHotkey. It obviously isn't looking for the same hotkey but it is hooking the event. Turns out the is a bug in Window-Eyes where it only uses the last return value. The order that apps get called is somewhat random but whatever the last one returns is what Window-Eyes will do. So the Quick Quit app returned first with a True indicating it handled the hotkey so don't let Window-Eyes do its thing. But then it sent the event to Read to Me which returned False because it doesn't handle the shutdown key. So Window-Eyes saw False and said I'll allow Window-Eyes to do its process. Clearly a Window-Eyes bug which is being resolved as I type. This will be out in the next release of Window-Eyes. Thanks for helping narrow this down. Doug P.S. in my last email I see I once again typed "existing" instead of "exiting." Is it 5 yet? On 6/23/2011 10:31 AM, Doug Geoffray wrote: Vic, Okay, my bad twice <smile>. I didn't catch he was speaking from myStrings. I just saw speak and in quotes "existing". As I was reading through you message I was thinking you needed to zip me up your default dir so I was glad to see you offered that at the bottom. I'm hopping I'll be able to duplicate this with your profile and this will lead to what is going on. Regards, Doug On 6/23/2011 10:24 AM, Vic Beckley wrote: Doug, I have version 1.43. It says there are no updates. In QuickQuit.vbs: Speak myStrings("exiting") In QuickQuit.xml: <string id="exiting">Window-Eyes Exiting</string> I do hear "Window-Eyes exiting" as I would expect. I turned this around in my previous message. After adding the Queue statement to the app with a sleep of 1000, this is what takes place: I press the hot key. I hear "Window-Eyes Exiting." I hear the sound from Windows announcing that the Exit Window-Eyes dialog has come up. The WESounds app also fires and I hear its sound announcing that a WE dialog has come up. This did not happen before the Queue statement. I hear the Window-Eyes Exit dialog spoken. Most of the time it is cut off a little prematurely, but I hear most of it. This happens pretty much simultaneously with the 2 notification sounds. Now WE is gone and I can reload it normally. I performed this procedure with the same results as stated above at least 5 times with WE terminating correctly. This definitely is much better. Then I changed Script Status to Manual and started just GW Toolkit and QuickQuit. There was no problem now. I have been working most of the morning enabling and disabling apps one at a time and can't find any specific app that causes the problem. It seems that it must be the number of apps I have running at any given time. I have anywhere from 34-37 apps loaded depending what I am doing. Would it be worth it for me to zip up my Default folder and send it to you to see if you can duplicate it on your machine? I am running Windows 7 SP1 X64 on an AMD Phenom II X4 3.4ghz processor with 4ghz RAM and ATI Radeon HD 3300 graphics. It shouldn't be that slow a system. Vic From: Doug Geoffray [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 8:34 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Issue with Quick Quit Vic, Okay, now it is my bad. I didn't mean "existing," I meant "exiting". However, with this app you definitely shouldn't be hearing "exiting Window-Eyes". If you are hearing that than maybe you have a different version of this app running as well? Assuming you really are hearing "exiting" and not "exiting Window-Eyes" than that means this app did intercept the shutdown Window-Eyes hotkey. So assuming all this how about changing the one line: quickQuit to Queue "quickQuit" This will cause the quickQuit sub to be queued allowing the OnHotkey function to return immediately that it handled the hotkey so Window-Eyes won't bring up the dialog. I don't really know why this would be needed but at this point I'm trying anything...but I really do want to verify exactly what you are hearing when you press the shutdown hotkey. Doug On 6/22/2011 7:32 PM, Vic Beckley wrote: Doug, Duh. My bad. I thought you changed the code. It looked like you changed the sleep statement from 1000 to 10000. Anyway, it should have worked as well. I was able to start NVDA when I was in the state of WE not exiting. I found that the Exit Window-Eyes dialog was still up on the screen. If I pressed the OK button, then WE would exit and comeback up fine. Here is what the sequence of things are for me: I press the Control-Insert-F4 hot key. I here "Exiting Window-Eyes." Is this what you mean when you ask me if I hear "Existing?" I do not hear "existing" at any time. Speech is lost totally from this point. I hear the sound that tells me that the Exit Window-Eyes dialog has come up. No speech is elicited. I have now determined that focus is on the OK button because if I press the spacebar at this point WE will exit and come back up fine. I have loaded NVDA several times to confirm this chain of events and it is consistent. This happens most of the time for me. I would say that it might work as expected in 1 out of 10 tries at best. Any ideas why this might be happening? Vic From: Doug Geoffray [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 5:27 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Issue with Quick Quit Vic, I'm not following when you say you replaced it with my code. The code I showed is the original code. I didn't write that I just copied it out of the latest version of the Quick Quit script. Also, when you say the first time you pressed the hotkey to remove WE, it worked just fine...so I assume you mean that Window-Eyes unloaded and you restarted it and than on the press of the hotkey this time it didn't work? Did you hear it speak "Existing"? My system is also Windows 7 64-bit and I'm not seeing this. Doug On 6/22/2011 4:54 PM, Vic Beckley wrote: Doug, I replaced the code in the QuickQuit.vbs file with your code. The first time I press the hot key to remove WE, it works just fine. On the second attempt, the exit dialog comes up. It does not speak and WE seems to be exited. When I reload WE, however, I get the sound that WE is already running and it will not load. I have reproduced this several times. This has been happening for me for quite a while now, although it did work quite well when it was first written and a while afterwards. Any idea what could be going on? This is on Windows 7 X64 SP1 running WE 7.5.1.0. Vic From: Doug Geoffray [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 3:36 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Issue with Quick Quit J.J., I took a quick look because I knew this would be a simple app. The only thing I can come up with is you aren't hooking the OnHotkey. Let me start by saying I've never seen this fail...but if I change your OnHotkey to always return False (meaning I just changed your OnHotkey = True to OnHotkey = False) it still always works. So the Quit will shut down Window-Eyes even if the shutdown dialog comes up. So Quit can't be called when it fails. Do we know when it fails if it says"existing"? My guess is that it is not saying this because your quickQuit never gets called in the case it doesn't work. So either your script isn't running properly or they tried to shut down before it was fully running or somebody else is eating the hotkey... For those playing at home here is the code that does the work. It is very simple. Oh, by the way, I don't like that your OnHotkey function doesn't set the return value explicitly to False if the hotkey isn't the shutdown hotkey and isBeforeAction is true. VSScript is letting you get away with this by defaulting the return value to 0 which is false. Consider yourself flogged. ConnectEvent Application, "OnHotkey", "OnHotkey" Function OnHotkey(hotkeyId, isBeforeAction, defaultActionAborted) if hotkeyId = hkShutdownWindowEyes and isBeforeAction then quickQuit OnHotkey = True end if end function sub quickQuit() Speak myStrings("exiting") sleep 10000 Quit end sub Doug On 6/22/2011 2:10 PM, J.J. Meddaugh wrote: Hello. This is currently a known issue which has been reported, but I'm not able to reliably figure out exactly what is going wrong. Work take another look at this soon, and of course, anyone else is welcome to look at the code too. Best Regards, J.J. Meddaugh A T Guys Your Assistive Technology Experts (269) 216-4798 http://www.ATGuys.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Jeff Weiss To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 11:07 AM Subject: RE: Issue with Quick Quit After installing WE 7.5.1, I had that same issue. Just restarting the Quick Quit app, or restarting Window-Eyes took care of the problem for me. From: Sean Farrow [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 9:42 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Issue with Quick Quit Importance: High Hi: I'm using the latest version of window-eyes, v7.5.1. When using the quick quit app, latest version I think given that I've just installed the upgrade to quickly change screen access technologies, I still sometimes get the quit window-Eyes Dialog appearing. Has anyone else observed this? If yes, does anyone know of a fix? Cheers Sean.
