Hi Rick,

    Only a thought, but did we not mention this before about which way to run a 
program and I had posted the reason because if you do not run using it, the 
process does not know to end.

    Check back about a week or 2 ago, I am leaving now and can not remember it, 
but could post that later.

        Bruce

P.S.

    This afternoon I will upload a compiled for Windows 7 version of my Trek 
game.

  Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2012 8:06 AM
  Subject: Re: Visual Studio Express Accessibility


  Actually the Kill process I was thinking of was for an External Script, not 
the IDE itself but it may pose the same problems if any processes are started 
due to any context or content required by the OS or compiler unknown to me.
  Jamal has a couple of VBS scripts that work with App Manager which may offer 
a conceptual solution to stop my script programatically if I can understand the 
technicals.
    The Reload Script would seem to interact with ScriptManager so it may 
provide the underlying technicals to click the Stop Button programatically or 
using a global WE Hot Key.
    If you know of another script that pushes a button in the ScriptManager let 
me know for additional research.
    Jamal, if you are out there, is this feasible?
    Rick USA
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: RicksPlace 
    To: [email protected] 
    Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2012 6:43 AM
    Subject: Visual Studio Express Accessibility


    Hi:
    I was looking into shutting down a Process from within VB.net Express.
    To ensure all Child-processes are shut down it appears folks usually use 
something called the EnvDTE object.
    This object also gives access to the running Process so you can do things 
like click a button or change text in a TextBox from another Process like a  
WindowEyes Script.
    According to a member of the Microsoft Staff, a posting in a Blog, the 
Express Versions do not expose the EnvDTE Object to third party applications 
like a WindowEyes script.
    This was a quote Business decission on the part of Microsoft.
    This hampers using UIA, MSAA or any other method I know of to make the 
Express versions of Visual Studio much more accessible than they are already.
    It also has thrown a monkey wrench into my plan to Kill the running Process 
since Visual Studio, and I assume the Express versions, spawn other processes 
that may be left hanging and running if the Main Process is Killed without due 
process to the child processes if I read it correctly.
    I can still make some things much more readable with UIA, MSAA and the WE 
Object Model but not do much, if anything, that requires information from the 
Underlying Visual Studio controls or any interaction with them via a script.
    At least that is my understanding of the problem so far.
    Since Application.Exit doesnt work, it handles clean up and shut down 
messages while kill doesn't,perhaps the shut down of a dummy form will work as 
Aaron used in his original example.
    I either have to find a way to work around a focus problem using a dummy 
window if I can, figure out why Application.Exit doesn't work or find another 
method of shutting the script down ensuring no objects or processes are left    
 hanging.
    I hope Microsoft knows this decission sucks for blind users of their free 
Express Versions of Visual Studio that work  extremely well for sighted users.
    Later and I will be able to do a few things even without this missing 
feature in the Visual Studio Express versions.
    Rick USA

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