Thank you Ann. That makes perfect sense. All that weight on one point would 
certainly cause a lot of stress, especially on some types of fabric. I think I 
know of the Simplicity pattern you are refering to. It is discontinued isn't 
it? I have seen it for sale on eBay for either a high price, or used and no 
return reply from the seller when asked if all the pieces were still there.
 
I've just realized that there is an event in three weeks I would like to have 
an outfit for and would rather not cobble something passable together out of my 
closet like I did for the first one I attended. Anyone have any hints or 
suggestions for something quick and easy?
 
I also have a question about linens - specifically the blended and synthetic 
ones. What sort of successes/failures have been experienced with these fabrics? 
The local Joann's often has them in 'suit weight' for less than $2.00 a yard 
and I was thinking this might be good for a first effort at a sideless surcotte.

Message: 4
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 18:41:37 -0700 (PDT)
From: Ann Catelli 
Subject: [h-cost] Hartley girl dress ('medieval')
To: Historical Costume 

I can tell you from bitter experience that the
half-circle on either side gown in Hartley will rip
straight across where all the fabric is hanging from
the one waist point, and it's not a particularly
repairable tear.

If you follow the advice given often for a Simplicity
surcote pattern with half-circles on either side, you
will make 1/4 circles (or less) gores/godets, and
insert them on each side & center front & back. 

Ann in CT

--- Kahlara wrote:

> >From: "Betsy Marshal" 
> 
> > "Medieval Costume and How to Recreate It" by 
> > Dorothy Hartley. Any opinions? 
> >[Betsy Marshal] 

> Thank you Betsy,
> 
> I thought her simple pattern for a dress with a very
> full circle skirt was interesting and wondered how
> accurate it was. The bodice and sleeve construction
> appear close to my understanding of typical "T"
> tunic construction. But it seems to me the skirt
> would not hang properly with either a heavy or stiff
> fabric. I have seen pictures that suggest this sort
> of construction with contrasting fabric in the side
> pieces, although I'm pretty sure the one that comes
> to my mind was made with gored side pieces. (now, if
> I can remember where I saw that) I was thinking that
> in a lighter weight fabric the pattern would make a
> nice underdress - with narrower sleeves.
> 
> Annette M


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