----- Original Message ----- From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 10:52 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Simplicity Martha McCain pattern (cross post)
> > In a message dated 8/16/2005 11:26:24 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > I was just looking at the Simplicity website and it appears that there's > another Martha McCain ACW pattern #4400 > > > Not bad. Looks like Scarlet's dress she wears thru the Reconstruction. I > prefer the fuller sleeves. I just don't see many tight sleeves in 1860s > pics....actually I can't remember seeing ANY. [1840s is another matter] and the > shallow point is very 1850s to me. The cartridge pleating all the way 'round is > also very 1840-50s. Most 1860s day dresses have waistlines that go straight > across, with the bodice closing CF and the waistband of the attached skirt in > flat pleats closing a little left of CF, hidden in a pleat with a hidden > pocket there. > > But y'know...never say never.... I'll admit the narrow sleeves are not terribly common but they do turn up e.g. http://snipurl.com/h35y [1] the sleeves are still moderately full but not incredibly so, http://snipurl.com/h35z [2] they all have narrow sleeves but especially the woman in black, http://snipurl.com/h362 [3] the woman on the left, and http://snipurl.com/h366 [4] very similar to the design with two puffs but the puffs are larger and more droopy this is also an example of a pointed waist and the woman on the right has a fully pleated skirt. As for the pointed waistline, looking at these fashion plates I see as many pointed waistlines around 1858-60 as I do horizontal waistlines, by about 1862 the pointed waistline has died out in favour of the horizontal waistline. e.g. http://snipurl.com/h36b [5], http://snipurl.com/h36c [6], http://snipurl.com/h36f [7] though this one's a zouave style so maybe it's a special case, http://snipurl.com/h36g [8], http://snipurl.com/h36i [9] and http://snipurl.com/h36j [10] So I'm not sure about combining the elements (though no. 4 does) as the sleeves are generally mid 1860s and the bodice is late 50s to early 60s, but the bodice would certainly suit somebody up to c 1863 who is a year or two behind the fashions and for those who are up to date on the latest fashions it could be a dress which is a couple of years old as this style is not so easily altered as the peplum style bodices if you have cut the skirt to accomodate the point of the bodice (instead of just folding it down). Elizabeth P.S. If the snipped URLs don't work the full URLs are 1. http://content-dev.lib.washington.edu/cgi-bin/viewer.exe?CISOROOT=/costumehist&CISOPTR=154&CISORESTMP=/site-templates/search_results-sub.html&CISOVIEWTMP=/site-templates/item_viewer.html&CISOMODE=thumb 2. http://content-dev.lib.washington.edu/cgi-bin/viewer.exe?CISOROOT=/costumehist&CISOPTR=156&CISORESTMP=/site-templates/search_results-sub.html&CISOVIEWTMP=/site-templates/item_viewer.html&CISOMODE=thumb 3. http://content-dev.lib.washington.edu/cgi-bin/viewer.exe?CISOROOT=/costumehist&CISOPTR=153&CISORESTMP=/site-templates/search_results-sub.html&CISOVIEWTMP=/site-templates/item_viewer.html&CISOMODE=thumb 4. http://content-dev.lib.washington.edu/cgi-bin/viewer.exe?CISOROOT=/costumehist&CISOPTR=143&CISORESTMP=/site-templates/search_results-sub.html&CISOVIEWTMP=/site-templates/item_viewer.html&CISOMODE=thumb 5. http://content-dev.lib.washington.edu/cgi-bin/viewer.exe?CISOROOT=/costumehist&CISOPTR=421&CISORESTMP=/site-templates/search_results-sub.html&CISOVIEWTMP=/site-templates/item_viewer.html&CISOMODE=thumb 6. http://content-dev.lib.washington.edu/cgi-bin/viewer.exe?CISOROOT=/costumehist&CISOPTR=128&CISORESTMP=/site-templates/search_results-sub.html&CISOVIEWTMP=/site-templates/item_viewer.html&CISOMODE=thumb 7. http://content-dev.lib.washington.edu/cgi-bin/viewer.exe?CISOROOT=/costumehist&CISOPTR=151&CISORESTMP=/site-templates/search_results-sub.html&CISOVIEWTM P=/site-templates/item_viewer.html&CISOMODE=thumb 8. http://content-dev.lib.washington.edu/cgi-bin/viewer.exe?CISOROOT=/costumehist&CISOPTR=110&CISORESTMP=/site-templates/search_results-sub.html&CISOVIEWTMP=/site-templates/item_viewer.html&CISOMODE=thumb 9. http://content-dev.lib.washington.edu/cgi-bin/viewer.exe?CISOROOT=/costumehist&CISOPTR=129&CISORESTMP=/site-templates/search_results-sub.html&CISOVIEWTMP=/site-templates/item_viewer.html&CISOMODE=thumb 10. http://content-dev.lib.washington.edu/cgi-bin/viewer.exe?CISOROOT=/costumehist&CISOPTR=102&CISORESTMP=/site-templates/search_results-sub.html&CISOVIEWTM P=/site-templates/item_viewer.html&CISOMODE=thumb _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list [email protected] http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
