At 17:35 02/11/2005, you wrote:
From: Suzi Clarke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Do you have a buckle and strap arrangement as well as your tie?...

No buckle, no. I've seen some that had the buckle instead of a tie, but I'll have to start looking at that.

Of course the cheating, 21st century way, would be to herringbone two pieces of elastic into the side waistbands, on the inside of course, and slightly smaller than the space they occupy, to give "grip" at the sides.

I was thinking about putting something in there to restrict stretching - like a strip of leater, or woven tape or something.

Or put a "sticky" lining, like velvet, suede or similar, on to the inside of the waistband, also to give grip.

Another possiblity, thank you.

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From: Garden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
How long is your shirt underneath?

Knee length, Linen.

...don't worry - my husband is slim and seems to have the same problem as you - I made another pair with a waistband that went up higher on the waist and that seems to be working for now, although I'm starting to think of suspenders.......

Rumor is that this is about when they started being developed, I'm thinking for this very problem :)

The earliest genuine trousers with buttons for suspenders (English translation - braces) that I have seen are c.1830. There are earlier ones, c.1760-1810, but as these, though genuine, are from a theatrical context, I cannot be certain that the buttons were not put on at a much later point in their history. Trousers buttoned on to upper garments were, of course, worn by late 18th century boys - the so-called skeleton suit. And 16-17th century hose/trunks/breeches were laced or hooked to the upper garments. It seems odd that only the 18th century breeches were intended to be self supporting.

Suzi


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