In a message dated 11/17/2005 4:58:34 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

I was  actually planning on using a commercial pattern for a class aimed at 
new  costumers, I'm considering offering some members of my local SCA group a 
 
tutorial on my method of taking a readily available commercial pattern  with 
Princess seams and turning it into a cone shaped 16th century bodice  without 
princess seams (I've tried to explain my method here  
http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/SiL/Fixing_SiL.html#Bodice but there's  
nothing like a hands on demonstration). And as Butterick patterns are on  
sale at the moment I thought this might be a good  option.



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I use commercial "fitting shells" all the time to get shoulder slopes and  
neck curves and stuff like that. There's no need to start with a "costume"  
pattern. Start with what we use to draft up in school from measurements... a  
"sloper". But why draft it up when all the major pattern companies have done it 
 
for you...or the "fitting shell". [they usually have 1960s darting to fit the  
front...y'know, a dart under the bust and one on the side.]
 
As far  princess line patterns... an 18th century open robe with a  stomacher 
shouldn't be too hard to tweak from one. But forget the costume  pattern and 
start with the simplest princess line dress you can.
 
And remember,  tell them a pattern is just the starting point [but  it's 
important to get the shapes right]. A garment still has to be fitted so if  
things 
are just spot on in the pattern, don't panic! {and of course an 18th  century 
bodice isn't ever gonna fit right w/out the corset under it.]
 
Boy is that Butterick pattern a laugh riot! Yuk!
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