-----Original Message-----
No offense meant, but I just don't buy it. =}  If the seam were far enough
up to be concealed by the oversleeve, the whole look/drape would be changed.
Even with really careful tailoring and stretching of the bias, a
circle-on-a-tube type of sleeve just doesn't give the same shape as one that
flares out right at the end. It just looks wrong.

*disagree. I have seen medium weight linen, lined circular cuffs hang this
way. But my argument was of the strong possibility of an attached cuff with
the Maria of Hungary dress as an example that such a thing was done.
I am more inclined to believe because of the economical way they usually cut
fabric, that it was a conical shaped cuff then the circular. Your theory of
no seam at wrist is more feasible then the circular attached cuff but not
necessarily the conical attached cuff.

<<(That black stuff on the gold lining of her left sleeve doesn't look like
stitching to me; it's repeated much lower down on the same lining portion,
near the edge.  It looks more like some characteristic of the fabric/fur;
perhaps a variation on ermine patterning.  The black spots on the edging of
her right arm sleeve make it look to me like they are ermine lined, but
given the aging it's hard to be sure.  Either way, it's at the wrong
place/angle to be stitching between circle and tube; it's at about a 45
degree angle to the edge of the sleeve's hem, which just wouldn't make
sense. Of course, it doesn't make much sense for ermine, either, but
anyway...)

-E 'Zicam' House

Sorry I wasn't clear. I am not saying that the "stitches are the cuff to
sleeve" seam but asking if it was a seam. Both "stitch" areas correlate to
where seams would be on a straight sleeve. If these are seams, then it seems
to strengthen to some point your argument for no wrist seam.

De


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