I agree too, that is a gorgeous color and looks good on you. The yellow doesn't
go with it very well, but some of the shades of blue and green on the book
shelf behind you appear to be very complimentary.
I recall seeing color like this in some Medieval paintings, somewhere in
13th-15th century art. I can't recall where I saw them at the moment or what
type of 'gown' the color appeared on - but would seem to support that color as
period.
And as De suggests, if you were using period methods, then it is reasonable
to assume that the color would be period.
Annette M
Message: 1
Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 20:59:53 +0100
From: Deredere Galbraith
Subject: [h-cost] Bliaut silk natural dyed colour question
Hi,
Today I dyed silk for my 12th century bliaut.
And it got a shokking salmon pink.
http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~triade2/tijdelijk/Bliautsilk.jpg
I wonder if this would be right for that period.
I dyed it with meekrap. I don't know the correct english name.
It is a root that gives orange to red colour and was used in medieval times.
And then put in water with a little ammonia sinse orange is really not a
colour for me.
But I am not totally sure if this is much better :-\ .
I would love to hear other opinions.
Greetings,
Deredere
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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 14:08:33 -0600
From: "Betsy Marshall"
Subject: RE: [h-cost] Bliaut silk natural dyed colour question
To: "'Historical Costume'"
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Don't know about correct for your project, but the color looks pretty good
on you!
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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 12:25:38 -0800 (PST)
From: Lalah
Subject: RE: [h-cost] Bliaut silk natural dyed colour question
I have to agree with Betsy. The color is beautiful and looks
great on you. If it were me I would go for it.
Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender
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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 14:44:44 -0600
From: "Susan B. Farmer"
Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bliaut silk natural dyed colour question
Quoting Deredere Galbraith :
> Hi,
>
> Today I dyed silk for my 12th century bliaut.
> And it got a shokking salmon pink.
> http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~triade2/tijdelijk/Bliautsilk.jpg
> I wonder if this would be right for that period.
I think that the color is gorgeous!
>
> I dyed it with meekrap. I don't know the correct english name.
Do you know what the latin name is? I can translate! :-S
Susan
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Susan Farmer
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University of Tennessee
Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology
http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/
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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 12:47:20 -0800 (PST)
From: "Diana Habra"
Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bliaut silk natural dyed colour question
> Hi,
>
> Today I dyed silk for my 12th century bliaut.
> And it got a shokking salmon pink.
> http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~triade2/tijdelijk/Bliautsilk.jpg
> I wonder if this would be right for that period.
>
> I dyed it with meekrap. I don't know the correct english name.
That sounds like madder root.
> It is a root that gives orange to red colour and was used in medieval
> times.
> And then put in water with a little ammonia sinse orange is really not a
> colour for me.
> But I am not totally sure if this is much better :-\ .
> I would love to hear other opinions.
Which chemical mordant did you use? Mordants are things like alum,
nickel, iron, and I forget the last one. You put the mordant into the dye
bath and each chemical gives a different shade of red-orange. You can
also pre-treat the cloth with a bath of the mordant and then dye it
separately.
You can look up which one gives a more red color and try re-dying it with
that. There are some good books about natural dyes that you can either
order or find in your library. And there are some places online that sell
the dye items and mordants that you would need. Sorry I can't tell you
any specific books or websites....I haven't done natural dyeing in years!
And I agree that the orange isn't a bad color for you.....
Diana
www.RenaissanceFabrics.net
"Everything for the Costumer"
"Become the change you want to see in the world."
--Ghandi
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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 14:46:25 -0600
From: "Susan B. Farmer"
Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bliaut silk natural dyed colour question
To: Historical Costume
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Quoting Deredere Galbraith :
> Hi,
>
> Today I dyed silk for my 12th century bliaut.
> And it got a shokking salmon pink.
> http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~triade2/tijdelijk/Bliautsilk.jpg
> I wonder if this would be right for that period.
>
> I dyed it with meekrap. I don't know the correct english name.
google is my friend. Looks like Rubia tinctorum -- aka Madder.
Susan
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Susan Farmer
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University of Tennessee
Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology
http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/
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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 14:02:19 -0700
From: "Sue Clemenger"
Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bliaut silk natural dyed colour question
To: "Historical Costume"
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I think the plant you are referring to is known as "madder" in English.
I've gotten colors similar to yours in my madder dyeing. It's pretty pH and
temperature sensitive.
I'm afraid I don't know enough about 12th century costume (and colors
thereof) to be able to tell you about the historical accuracy of the color
for that kind of gown, though. ;o(
--Sue
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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 17:12:11 EST
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bliaut silk natural dyed colour question
In a message dated 2/18/2006 3:26:32 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
And it got a shokking salmon pink.
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Well, you may have been shocked, but I think the salmon pick looks divine!
It beautiful. It doesn't look too saturated to not be period. It looks great!
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Message: 9
Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 15:05:21 -0800 (PST)
From: "Diana Habra"
Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bliaut silk natural dyed colour question
Uhhh...from what I have heard, they have found clothing scraps that were
hot pink in Viking burial grounds. I believe that the they used some kind
of lichen to dye it.
So I would not assume that a "saturated" color is not period.
Diana
www.RenaissanceFabrics.net
"Everything for the Costumer"
"Become the change you want to see in the world."
--Ghandi
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Message: 11
Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 15:35:32 -0800
From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com"
Subject: RE: [h-cost] Bliaut silk natural dyed colour question
To: "'Historical Costume'"
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Rose madder?
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Message: 12
Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 15:37:09 -0800
From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com"
Subject: RE: [h-cost] Bliaut silk natural dyed colour question
It may be a period color. Check out tapestries and/or carpets from that
time.
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Message: 13
Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 19:48:26 -0600
From: "otsisto"
Subject: RE: [h-cost] Bliaut silk natural dyed colour question
Just opinion and not an expert in the period. If you achieved it with a
period process, one can assume that it probably was available and possibly
worn in that period. In the next century you find pink and pinkish garments
in illuminations.
I would say since it is a good color on you to not dye it again. Also,
though it is a bit bright (probably from the sheen of the fabric) it is not
a shocking salmon color.
I would not wear the shade of yellow that you have there as it detracts.
What you offset this salmon with will determine whether the gown stands
out
or you.
De
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