Susan

"Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel
too fast and you miss all you are traveling for".  - "Ride the Dark
Trail" by Louis L'Amour

On Mar 6, 2006, at 8:47 PM, Land of Oz wrote:

LADIES, on the other hand, adhered to strict rules of conduct and kept
their legs together for propriety.  I know there are pictures of
females riding astride as well as

sideways with their back parallel to
the right side of the horse and their feet at right angles to the
horse's left side.
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I've never seen anything depicting this style of riding. Links ? I can see where a footman would have to lead a person seated like this, as it would be a little like driving a car from the backseat. This position would put the woman more in the class of cargo, rather than "riding". It would be a form of transportation similar to sitting in a wagon, I'm sure.

Exactly. A Lady wasn't "able" to do anything without a man to help. As far as a link- anyone with medieval knowledge have a sketch showing this?

Which is not the same at all as riding side-saddle. I can't speak to specific time periods but I know I have read descriptions of women wearing breeches or jodhpurs under a "false" skirt that looked and functioned like a skirt when walking, but had a buttoned panel associated with function under saddle.
The Safety Apron was invented over a century ago. I have seen a garment that is a "transition" from full skirt to the modern (Safety) apron. The modern apron is only long enough to cover your backside while seated in the sidesaddle. The "skirt" part is shaped with a dart or curved seam to accommodate the upraised knee around the upper pommel. The rest of the skirt is long, to just reveal the ankle, when on horseback. When dismounted, the rider buttons the long skirt up, sweeping it around her butt, then buttoning it on the right side. this effectively pulls the excess fabric from where it is not necessary to where it is definitely necessary, on foot. All bases are covered.

Also, with the volume of skirts and the layers under the skirts, I can't see where modesty would be a problem when riding sidesaddle. The position is similar sitting on a barstool with the right leg hooked on a high rung, and the left foot very close to the floor. Mounting the horse in public would probably take a *lot* of private practice and a very steady horse, but I'm sure it could be accomplished w/o displaying much more than some inner hem. When horses were primary modes of transportation, mounting blocks were available just about everywhere and that would help a lot!

The "propriety point" is that a LADY did not spread her legs apart.

LADIES had grooms and footmen who did "everything" for them, except ride! A LADY merely appeared and mounted. Rode, then dismounted. As I understand it, "street clothing" were used for riding until around the 18th century. I know that riding trowsers could be a part of a Victorian habit. At this time, the skirt volume was becoming streamlined. The riding habit is very plain and severe in style. It is often referred to as "mannish". Later, the safety apron evolved.

Here is a web site that shows some of the changes over time. http://www.hoosierladiesaside.com/habits.html also http://www.victorianladiesaside.com/gallery/ Mostly US Civil War, North, South and Civilian impressions.

As I mentioned, we make the clothing to reflect the times but we are eminently aware that this Is the 21st Century. Safety first when riding sidesaddle. We usually don't have a groom to do all the work associated with "horsekeeping". We must change from LADY to WOMAN, from upper class to common person- in a flash- then back, again.

I would join an equestrian clothing group!
Denise

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