At 23:40 13/03/2006, you wrote:
I've been meaning to try...in addition to some stiffening agent like starch
or hat lacquer...zig-zaging some fishing line to the edge of the ruff. If
you're attaching some lace to the edge with a narrow zig-zag, why not do it over
some  medium strength fishing line? If you get the right gauge, it could
greatly help in achieving smooth, "bouncy" 8's. But I haven't tried it. It's as invisible as that nylon thread they sometimes do blind hems with, but it needs
to have more body than the thread.


I use "gimp", available in haberdashery/notions stores, for tailoring buttonholes. Works very well. I believe fishing line works very well for those huge, Dutch style ruffs. You might need to use several rows for a really deep ruff though.

Suzi


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