On 04/06/2006, at1:27 AM, AlbertCat wrote:

My main point was that the machine, once completely accepted, which took a little time, changed the way clothes were cut. And even that doesn't really hit it fair and square. There is also the time it took to discover what a clever seamstress could actually do with a machine....the development of machine
techniques. All these things are happening at once.

One thing I find utterly fascinating is the logic of pre-machine clothes and
how it differs from post-machine clothes.

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On 04/06/2006, at 2:01 AM, Lavolta Press wrote:

But by the
time we get to bustle, you really see the machine at work all over the place.

My main point was that the machine, once completely accepted, which took a little time, changed the way clothes were cut. A

My theory is this: Every time a machine was developed to make things easier, people expended the same amount of time and effort, just with a different emphasis. When industrial sewing and weaving became common, so women didn't have to spend all that time spinning, they started doing more fancy needlework and home dressmaking. After the sewing machine became popular, they started to develop more complicated cuts. After sewing machine attachments became available--I don't know exactly when this happened, BTW, but I suspect the very first models did not have them--they started adding a lot of machined ruffling and so on.

Fran
Lavolta Press

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Yes, my personal textile specialty is lace-making, and the history of lace is full of examples of how precious and exquisitely-used lace was in the centuries when it could only be made by hand. Only the very wealthiest people could afford to buy it -- sumptuary laws were just about unnecessary for lace, except where nationalism played into things. The use of lace just exploded for *all* classes of society once machines could produce even a passable product --- and the machines that were able to produce *superb* laces were, themselves, only made for a very short time, as these things go, and as was pointed out above. Newer-model machines were gradually "dumbed down" to produce ever simpler, cheaper, flimsier, and poorly- or repetitively-designed laces. (I can't tell you how thoroughly sick I am of the endless copies of Alencon roses out there on the market!) The older machines, used until very recently in many cases, have worn out, and been cannibalized to repair old machines still working, until there were none left to cannibalize.

Only a few years ago, I understand, the very last Nottingham lace machines capable of producing what was called "22-count" or "22-gauge" furnishing laces (lace curtains, mostly) broke down irretrievably. Only two or three larger-gauge 18-count machines were still working, and a French or Swiss concern bought them and shipped them to the Continent. I don't know if they've ever been re-activated for commercial use -- if anyone would do that, it would be the French or Swiss, wouldn't it? :-) Although an un-verified source has since claimed that the machines were actually sold on to Chinese factories!!

Speaking of the logic of machine-made versus hand-made clothes: I'm continually impressed, the more I study pre-machine-age tailoring methods, how little waste was allowed to occur. Even many of the most elaborate Elizabethan gowns, full of tucks and pleats and ruffles, slashing and pinking and embroidery and all, are constructed of so many rectangular and near-rectangular pieces!! A standing ruff, made of silk organza or similar, edged with lace and broidered with beads, pearls, or spangles, and shaped to fit the neckline of the dress and the proportions of the wearer, still started with a rectangle of silk edged with a "straight" length of lace. The machine-age logic says cut the silk to shape and discard the rest. Elizabethan logic made a virtue of a design-feature out of the tucks used to achieve the shaping.

I have to admit, I was nit-picking a little about the original posting, because I just can't justify allowing some generalizations to stand un-challenged --- but I actually do understand and agree with your *main* points!

Beth S.



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