Instead of scissors, you could maybe try using tin snips. They can cut pretty 
thick metal, so it might be easier on your hands to use those.

Natalie

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Bjarne og Leif Drews 
  To: Historical Costume 
  Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 9:47 AM
  Subject: Re: [h-cost] silver foil tape for Paillons?


  Hi Heather,
  Thanks for your valuable informations. I went to a craftstore, after work 
  today, and found stainless steel plates. They are just the thickness i want. 
  I just cut out a flower with my scissors, worked ok, but it is a little 
  difficult. Then i hammered holes with a nail and hammer, worked fine two.
  Its very difficult to draw the shape to the steel because it goes away when 
  i touch with my fingers, but i thoaght about tracing the flower to painting 
  tape, wich i then will take over the steel, and then cut out. Then remove 
  the tape after.
  I can imagine it is better to stamp out the shapes, but i want a particular 
  shape, because i want the same as an embroidered suit has, guess my skills 
  will improve with the numbers i make.
  Thanks a lot for your help Heather...........

  Bjarne


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: "heather jones" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  To: "Historical Costume" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 5:29 AM
  Subject: Re: [h-cost] silver foil tape for Paillons?


  > On Jun 22, 2006, at 12:16 PM, Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote:
  >
  >> Hi,
  >> In recreating materials found in 18th century embroidery, i thoaght i 
  >> might could use this for shaped spangels or Paillons as they were called. 
  >> These were cut from silver plates, and often vernished in different 
  >> shining collours. I would like to try it. Does any of you know this 
  >> material? Is it hard to cut out, can you use an ordinary scissors? I am 
  >> in need of some cut like a flower with 5 leaves.
  >> Also how would you make the holes for sewing?
  >> I am making silver embroidery, but i am not sattisfied with those flowers 
  >> i use as a substitute for Paillons, they are two dimentional, should be 
  >> more flat.
  >> Greatly apreciate if any of you have tryed it!
  >>
  >
  > I don't remember if my friend Chris is on this list -- she would give a 
  > better answer than me on her experiments with these.  She has been having 
  > some success making paillons (or "bezants" under one of the medieval 
  > names) out of thin metal sheets sold for craft purposes.  To make the 
  > shape, she uses stamps sold for stamping leather, which come in a lot of 
  > the same types of shapes that were used historically for these.  You place 
  > the metal sheet on a surface that is stiff but will "give" a little.  A 
  > thick piece of leather works very well.  Then stamp the shapes using the 
  > stamps and a hammer.  After that you can cut them out of the sheet using 
  > ordinary scissors (but don't use scissors you ever plan to use for fabric 
  > again!) and punch holes for sewing using a heavy needle or a small awl, 
  > again using the leather as a backing.  It seems to work best if you stamp 
  > all the shapes on the metal sheet first and then cut them all out at the 
  > same time.  Chris has been working mostly with brass but I think the same 
  > technique would work with silver (if you want to spend the money!) or with 
  > silver-plated brass or copper.
  >
  > Heather
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