I, too, used ribbon with a wire edge, but I left the wire in. Really easy to
pleat!

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of E House
Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 10:47 AM
To: Historical Costume
Subject: Re: [h-cost] metalic organza, for a pleated frill


I haven't ordered the metallic organza from any of the places you've talked 
about, but have a couple of comments.  First, at FFC we got some metallic 
silk organza, and had some _rust_ problems with it, so my instinct tells me 
that a copper metallic content would be a big plus.  (Ok, maybe you'll get 
verdigris problems, but I kind of doubt it.)  Second, for the pleated edging

on my not-yet-finished headwear, I wound up using some wired-edge metallic 
gold ribbon from walmart, with the wire pulled out.  This left me with a 
nice clean edge on the frill, with much less bother.  (Not the woven 
foil-looking type, but the woven wire that looks like metallic organza but 
coarser.) Since the frill from my era is generally much wider than the later

16thC stuff, I used the ~1.5" width, and it worked well, though I wound up 
having to finger-press the pleats into place.

The silk/metallic would probably look better, but since I honestly have no 
idea what they used (does anyone here know?  I do early 16thC, but I expect 
the material used would be the same as mid/late 16thC) I don't know which 
choice looks more authentic.

-E House 

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