Dawn wrote:
Funny, I see this same red as the shadow of the sleeve, robe, etc, not as a
second skirt. I needed another reason to go back to the UK!
Here's some of the copies. What do you think?
http://www.tudorplace.com.ar/images/Eliza32.jpg
http://www.tudorplace.com.ar/images/Eliza29.jpg
http://www.tudorplace.com.ar/images/Elizathanksgiving.jpg
I'm looking at the Ditchley portrait, the allegory of Elizabeth and
therefore England standing over the world. This is explicitly what
Kathleen asked about.
I think we're looking a different pictures all of which are painted by
Mannerists, which means they are explicitly not "photo-perfect" copies
of what the painter saw. (Especially since in Elizabeth's case the
painter almost never saw Elizabeth herself. As I understand it, he
usually saw a Lady of the court modelling Liz's gown & jewels plus an
official portrait of Liz from which to model her face & hands.)
In your examples, I dont see open robes, and yes, in your
illustrations, the overskirt exposes a huge swath of forepart. When I
challenged someone to find a large forepart, I meant a large *extant*
example rather than a picture. I do not know of any in the
Manchester, V&A, NYMet or Harwick collections that could ever be as
wide as those illustrated. The only exceptions I know of are those
widened in a later period, and my knowledge is far from encyclopedic.
This is fun! Thanks for challenging my views & implementations.
Certainly we'll never know the right answer and I'm more than happy
with my interchangeable ensemble solution. I'm not making these
ridiculously complex clothes for political ends as Liz was. My aim is
much more social. I wanted to prove I could dance in that get up!
There's video proving I can.
--cin
Cynthia Barnes
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