In a message dated 10/9/07 7:02:14 PM GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> > Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 00:26:25 +1000 > From: "Barbara -_- M aren" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: wedding in historical costumes -1830s mens' > patterns > To: "Historical Costume" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Message-ID: > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Hello De , > > thanks for doing all this research -- I have now done some myself. > > (looots of other links, and this one) > > http://www.longago.com/colonialmen.html > > My still-fiance has pretty much told me that what he would like is the > "1790's Frock Coate' 1837 - 1890" from this page, but they are saying > on their main page that they (Harper House) have just changed hands > and moved and might not have all items ready for shipping. > > http://www.lostcoasthistpatterns.com/Menspatterns.html seem to carry > the same frock, but the e-mail even bounced. > > At a closer look, there doesn't seem to be that much out there! > Everybody is carrying items by everybody else -- this frock for > example is by Tailor's Guide, so I thought I'd ask them directly. > > In fact, I've only found a few online pattern shops which have their > own patterns for this period: > > Tailor's Guide http://www.tailorsguide.com/ > (http://www.tailorsguide.com/images/f-coat.html) > > Rocking Horse Farm (http://rockinghorse-farm.com/ ) -- but they are > closed until end of October > > Kannik's Korner have a few interesting things at > http://www.kannikskorner.com/patmen2.htm > > and of course Past Patterns, but at > http://www.pastpatterns.com/men.html, nothing resembles that style. > > > Does anyone on this list have any experience with these businesses? > (if not, I'll probably be the first one). I myself have already traded > with Past Patterns, and the service was prompt and very good. Even as > I'm ordering from outside the country. > > btw... oh yes... has anyone made any of their patterns and can point > to pictures? It would be great to see them made up. > > Barbara M ar en > > Hi Barbara, You could consider draughting up a pattern your self, or having > someone do it for you. If you want to consider that route try looking at the > following books. 1. Hill and Bucknell, The Evolution of Fashion, Pub. > B.T.Batsford. I don't have it to hand at the moment but I seem to recall a > frock > coat for about 1836. 2. Norah Waugh, The Cut of Men's Clothes 1600-1900, Pub > Faber and Faber. Another one I don't have to hand but I'm sure there would be > something of interest. 3. R. I. Davis, Men's Garments 1830-1900, Pub Players > Press Inc. This has drawing instructions for an 1830 Dress coat, Frock coat, > Trousers and Waistcoat. Take your time and these are a straight forward > draw. 4. Edited R.L. Shep, Late Georgia Costume, Contains The Tailor's > friendly > Instructor (1822), The Art of Tying the Cravat (1828), Pub. R.L. Shep. > Instructions for Coat, Frock coat, Waistcoat, Breeches, Pantaloons, and > Trowsers. > You have to cope with the 1822 language in the instructions and it was > intended > for tailors who were familiar with draughting layouts. This instructor was > republished in 1830 so I don't thing you would be looking at big changes in > the patterns. I assume this book was properly a prime resource for the > Tailors > Guide pattern. You defiantly should get your intended to read The Art Of > Tying the Creavat to be sure he is a man who's cravat 'is a criterion by > which > the rank of the wearer may be at once distinguished, and is of itself "a > letter > of introduction'' ' . 5. Last but not least if you can find a copy of > Florence Theriault's, Fits and Starts, Pub. Gold Horse Publications, there is > a > darling boys doll costume on page 8 showing an outfit of this 1830's period. > A > white shirt with double pleated ruffles down the front, a creavat, A la > Byron, > royal blue super fine tailed coat with navy blue velvet collar and cuffs, a > waist coat of multicoloured paisley design and fawn trousers strapped under > the foot. Ignore the centre front crease on the trousers. Who ever prepared > the costume for photography didn't realise that this crease would not come in > for another 50 years or so. Since you are in Oz you might try Ebay.au for a > copy of the 1830's pattern put out by the Power house Museum Sydney for the > bicentennial in 1988. There were four patterns. The one for men had a shirt > and > front fall trousers you might find useful, a bit more 1840's than 1830. The > ladies dress 1836 is good, the sleeves are the main feature. Hope this is of > use. Regards Joy > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list [email protected] http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
