Interesting!  Thanks!
       I didn't think she looked "quite right"  but couldn't decide why -
wrong person?  Victorian copy?  Wasn't sure...
         But still an interesting blackwork bit I don't have in my
"collection"!

Liadain
Off on a new track
THL Liadain ni Mhordha OFO
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-----Original Message-----
From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On
Behalf Of monica spence
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 3:10 PM
To: 'Historical Costume'
Subject: Re: [h-cost] Eleanor of Toldeo portrait?

I've seen the painting on the net and we discussed this a while back. Please
don't think I am a know-it all on this, but here is what I know and have
studied. 

Here's the original story.
A BBC correspondent has returned a Renaissance painting of Eleonora of
Toledo to a German museum after discovering it was looted during World War
II.

Here's the story:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/5037002.stm
******************************************


However.....You know...

I've been researching Eleonora and Co. for about 20 years. 

This picture does not look like Eleonora of Toledo, 2nd Duchess of Florence,
to me. 
It looks like "our Eleonora's" niece Eleonora of Toledo, (she was the
daughter of her brother Garcia). The younger Eleonora married Cosimo and
Eleonora's youngest son Pietro (their 11th child)and was later murdered by
him for supposed infidelity. (Not that he was any prize, but let's not go
there...)

The portrait in the BBC article is similar to at least 2 other paintings of
the younger Eleonora I know of. I think the dress is in this portrait too
late in style for "our Eleonora"-- the standing collar is a much later
style.

"Our" Eleonora had a very distinctive style that she brought with her to
Florence and used it for her official and family portraits throughout her
life.

Also, if it was by Allori, I think he would have painted a more flattering
portrait, such as the one in Duke Francesco's Studiolo, which made her look
beautiful and healthy, just the was Francesco wanted to remember his mom.
Alorri painting would have been posthumous anyway... Bronzino's portraits of
"our" Eleonora show her very gaunt toward the end of her life and her style
of clothing is consistent.








Monica E. Spence MA, MA, BA
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Art Institute of New York City
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-----Original Message-----
From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On
Behalf Of Frank A Thallas Jr
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 6:47 PM
To: 'Historical Costume'
Subject: [h-cost] Eleanor of Toldeo portrait?

  While wandering the web last night, came upon this -
http://www.needlework-tips-and-techniques.com/blackwork-cuff-on-an-italian-r
enaissance-gown.html

    Has anyone seen this portrait before, or have any idea of its
attribution?  If it's real (Eleanor or not) I'd love to see a better image
and have the provenance... (I ain't getting in the "true" and "faux"
blackwork fight there.... ;-)  )

Liadain

"You get a wonderful view from the point of no return..."
wildernesse, the Outlands 
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