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What is the proper name for the black layer of clothing in the picture of him fully dressed (from the front?). It is most likely sleevless.... The red part is his pour-point right? Or is it his doublet? Is the black called a Jerkin? The origin is Flemish, but the house of Nassau had lands sprinkled all over the place.... http://www.bl.uk/catalogues/illuminatedmanuscripts/ILLUMIN.ASP?Size=mid&IllID=28499 http://www.bl.uk/catalogues/illuminatedmanuscripts/ILLUMIN.ASP?Size=mid&IllID=22357 Thanks to all of you who know more than I do about this period.... Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume