On Sat, 12 Jan 2013, Patricia Dunham wrote:
Braun et Schneider is really Victorian, the plates you mention are available
on-line at http://www.siue.edu/COSTUMES/COSTUME4_INDEX.HTML
Personally, I see a short length of decorated, CENTERED opening at the top neck. I do not
get any impression of off-centered-ness from this gold-colored artifact. I don't believe
I've ever seen a period gardecorps image with an off-center neck opening. IF there are
"buttons" they may or may not be functional, vs decorative, at this period. I
see the bottom of a center front opening; which, specifically for riding, MAY be mirrored
at the back, although there is no indication of this in the illustration. I do not see
anything that looks like it is opening a side seam in the main body of the garment. I see
very ordinary looking hanging sleeves (thanks, Sharon) with an upper front opening for
the arm. This type of opening is usually cut in the body of the sleeve, nothing to do
with any sleeve seams.
So, I googled the name from the Manesse Codex plate originally posted, Ulrich
von Gutenburg, and scanned images until I found something that had a similar
garment, but wasn't old Ulrich, and I found a term in the thumbnail labels that
caused a BIG face-palm: GARDECORPS.
[snip]
Ooooh, more sources!!
Specifically, it's what my consort and I term a "Type III" garde-corps, as
opposed to the other two varieties which are less full in the body and
have different sleeves.
Mostly what I was wondering about was the center-front thing--most
garde-corps-type garments on men are slit center front and back. I won't
say all, because I am pretty sure there's at least one example out there
that isn't, but most of them are. This particular depiction confused
me because there is clearly a slit *somewhere*, I just couldn't figure out
where. [this may have something to do with the head colds I have been
having since mid-October--my deductive reasoning skills are totally gone.]
It being a man's garment is why I didn't count the one(s) appearing in
Manesse on women, because a woman's garde-corps isn't slit.
Many thanks for the input!!!
Jen
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