One thing I have learned in my coding career is that the programmers should
have the freedom to choose whatever programming tools they prefer.

I personally never abandoned jEdit in favor of Eclipse but I can clearly see the rise in popularity and functionality of Eclipse. And at some point I was becoming a bit jealous and doubting my commitment to jedit when there was no activity in that project.

I personally choose to program with a text editor because I don't like an integrated
development environment but a good set of tools that I use separately.

From beginners point of view it would be easier to start developing h2 outside of an IDE.

All you need to do is to install commandline svn, checkout, edit source files with a text editor
and run 'ant jar' on the commandline.

Of course if you start developing on a daily basis then the benefits of an integrated ide
become obvious.

- Rami

8.10.2010 11:20, Kerry Sainsbury kirjoitti:
On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 7:52 PM, Sergi Vladykin <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

    @Kerry
    > > I hate Eclipse. Whenever I try to use the damned thing it
    spits out all
    > > sorts of nonsense, and breaks in mysterious ways.

    I don't hate IDEA just find eclipse more convenient for me. If it
    doesn't work for you - you just don't understand it. Even the best
    instrument will be useless in monkey hands. So this is the reason to
    blame yourself but not eclipse.


I confess I don't understand Eclipse. There is clearly something about me that means I cannot use it. I'm not sure that explains the silly error messages and crashes that it exhibits, but hey, I'm more than happy to blame myself, and my monkey hands.

This week I have encountered the absurd Eclipse bug which means I simply cannot accept a licence (https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=277265) as well as it bleating at me that 'An internal error occurred during "Decoration calculation"'. Whatever that means.

I LOVE Open Source, but Eclipse is the exception to the rule. It's just plain broken. I would rather use vim and custom tags than Eclipse, because vim works!

We don't need to continue this conversation -- I'm glad Eclipse works for you, and I really wish it worked for me too. It just doesn't.

Don't forget to "refresh" :-)

Cheers
Kerry
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