That's brilliant thank you just what I was looking for, now that I've seen 
it I might switch to using the termmenu plugin hadn't notice it before
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Just one thing I get a Fatal error: Call to a member function get_tree() on 
a non-object in *termmenus.plugin.php* on line *103 *caused by no 
menu_taxonomy, I've temp fixed for the site I'm building with the following:

line 90 // $vocab = Vocabulary::get_by_id($block->menu_taxonomy); 
//menu_taxonomy fails, its non existing
line 91    $vocab = Vocabulary::get( $block->title ); // this works but user 
must match block title to vocabulary name

Thank you again for pointing me in the right direction
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