Thanks guys - I'm still debating how much of the development work I
want to do myself vs. paying someone else to do it.  w/ Wordpress
there are a ton of development shops that I can turn to and w/ Habari
I'd have less options.

Now for the record WPMU isn't meeting my needs out of the box either
so with either platform there's going to be a significant investment
(time/effort/money) spent on development/customization.

If you were going to pay developers to build the kind of site I
described - do you think after all is said and done they could get
"more" developed using WPMU+Buddypress or Habari?  I know that for
myself personally, I'd have a much easier time developing on Habari,
but I wonder how efficient the Wordpress development shops have gotten
at building features/customization after spending so much time with
the Wordpress code base?

In the end I want a product that "works" and if there's a group of
folks that's proficient in developing/customizing it then I'm happy to
have them do it.  Or should I just stay away from developing on
Wordpress period?

Would love to hear your thoughts.

On Mar 3, 12:11 am, Andy C <[email protected]> wrote:
> And best yet, you'll get to submit the patches yourself :-)
>
> On Mar 3, 6:29 am, "michael.twofish" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> > I'll take a slightly different tack than Rick, though I wouldn't
> > contradict
> > anything.
>
> > Habari won't meet your needs out of the box right now, and will
> > require
> > changes to make it work the way you want. But those changes aren't
> > going to be
> > horrible hacks, they're going to be the implementation of what will
> > come
> > eventually anyway. And best yet, you'd get to have some say in how
> > those
> > things work in core.
>
> > On Mar 1, 11:32 pm, rick c <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > Welcome, craayzle. I hate to say it, but at this point in its
> > > development, Habari may not be the way to go to meet your goals for
> > > the site. While Habari can serve multiple sites from the same code
> > > base, each site has to be created and installed individually. While
> > > the creation and installation can be scripted, Habari currently has no
> > > internal mechanism to do the creation. Once they are created, there is
> > > currently no way to administer each of the sites centrally. While a
> > > plugin to do so could be written, and is something I'd like to see,
> > > the capability isn't built in. Nor, at this time, are sites that live
> > > in subdirectories (i.e., mysite.com/myblog ) possible. One can make a
> > > site appear as if it lives at such a location, but to the best of my
> > > knowledge, only once per site. This functionality is intended in the
> > > future. Improving Habari's multisite capabilities is the intended
> > > focus of Habari 0.8, but it isn't possible now.
>
> > >http://wiki.habariproject.org/en/Multisiteshowshowmultisite
> > > installations are handled at the moment. If you look 
> > > athttp://wiki.habariproject.org/en/Installation#Predefined_Configuration
> > > , you'll see how a pre-filled out configuration file can be used to
> > > automate installation.
>
> > > Regarding some of the other features you listed, if plugins for the
> > > functionality don't already exist ( take a look 
> > > athttp://habariproject.org/dist/plugins
> > > ), plugins for most of it should be possible.
>
> > > Fima Leshinsky already pointed you to the list of Habari powered
> > > sites. I don't know which of these are large or heavily customized. I
> > > do know some individuals are using Habari in client work. Such work is
> > > one source of the issues we find need improved with Habari. :)
>
> > > Rick
>
> > > On Mar 1, 1:18 am, craayzie <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > For the last couple of months I've been learning/developing on WPMU.
> > > > It's been pretty painful.  This post does a decent job describing that
> > > > pain:http://www.phpvs.net/2009/12/08/an-exercise-in-wordpress-integration-...
>
> > > > I'm looking to build a site that, at it's core, is a cross between
> > > > WPMU and Ning: a multi-site install of WPMU + Buddypress.  More
> > > > specifically, any user should be able to register for their own site
> > > > (e.g. user1.domain.com) and on this site they can create as many blogs
> > > > as they wish (e.g. user1.domain.com/blog1).  I believe Habari supports
> > > > this type of multi-site install.
>
> > > > In it's full maturity, the site will have (in order of priority)
>
> > > > * premium services with pay-pal integration
> > > > * facebook/twitter activity feed integration
> > > > * iphone/mobile phone support (both publishing and viewing)
> > > > * social networking features
> > > > * ad-revenue sharing
>
> > > > It's possible to put together a prototype of the above in WPMU and I'm
> > > > getting close to shelling out $$$ to have someone develop it, but
> > > > longer term Wordpress just doesn't seem the way to go.
>
> > > > Is Habari the right platform for me to build on? Can you point me to
> > > > any "large" and/or heavily customized sites running Habari or _any_
> > > > sites running Habari for that matter?  Anything else I should know
> > > > before taking the dive?
>
> > > > Thanks in advance for reading and replying and great work so far to
> > > > all the contributors, it looks like a great product!

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