Thank you! That is the best explanation I have seen in months, and much food for thought. I have slowly come to understand that this is not a dongle, it is test equipment. Now - could you please give an example/source of off-the-shelf "really good bandpass filters?" (For HF/VHF?)

On 11/27/2014 09:58 AM, McDonald, J Douglas wrote:

I want to emphasize that the RF chain in mine is not defective.

I tested it again last night. The three different gains all

work exactly as expected.

When connected not to an antenna but to a wired system

the number of spurious signals is greatly reduced but is nowhere near

zero and not as low as the dongles.

I think that most people for over the air receiving purposes need

to get really good bandpass filters to pick out only the signal of interest.

And remember that 8 bits is a very poor dynamic range for a system

without a really good, designed to purpose,  ANALOG AGC, so you have to,

by hand, get the various gains exactly right. I do it by looking at the

spectrum display. In general when working with weak signals

you want to leave the amp off and slowly raise the two other

gains in parallel from all the way down. At first if your is like mine

you will see big jumps up and down in the level of weak signals,

spurious signals, and noise. The spurious ones come and go

as you raise gain. At some point the apparent noise level

stabilizes and remains the same for a while as the real signal

levels rise up out of the constant noise floor. Then the noise

floor rises up. When it has risen about 5-9 dB you have reached the

best sensitivity and more important dynamic range and

lowest quantization distortion. I am fairly sure that this gizmo

has no built-in dither at the 1-LSB level. If it does there is something

bad going on, perhaps in the DC level area.

One way to look at it is the HackRF is NOT a receiver: its effectively an

IF strip with no AGC.

Today I’ll try it as a transmitter feeding my old spectrum analyzer

looking for spurious signals. Currently for most spectrum analysis

I use either it (>2MHZ bandpass) or one of the dongles (better

for narrow band).

Doug McDonald



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