I don't understand. You want a real scripting example that will work on linux but not on cygwin. Is that correct?
Thanks, Tal. On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 1:02 PM, Shahar Dag <[email protected]> wrote: > Hello all > > mix & match is just a buzzword. > we need a real example that shows that 10 minutes of shell scripting will > save half a day of programming. > (no, grep -v is not an example) > > as for scripts & Windows > Windows have many scripting capabilities. It is true that we mostly ignore > them (maybe becase they are complicated) > 1. batch files > 2. visual basic scrips (if you know how, you can use any dll in the system > to do a job for you) > 3. power shell > 4. and of course cygwin > > make can be run on windows & even if you create source dependencis, you > still have to handle the dependency on header files. The problem (almost) > does not exist in IDE environment (which is the windows way) > > Valgrind is an execelt tool (and it helped me a lote) but it is relevant > only for languages that do not have memory manegment (C, C++, ...). Java > programmers can laugth all the way to the dedline > > Sorry, please think harder and come out with somthing more convincing > > Thanks in advanced > Shahar Dag > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Orna Agmon Ben-Yehuda <[email protected]> > *To:* Vadim Eisenberg <[email protected]> > *Cc:* Haifux <[email protected]> ; Shahar Dag <[email protected]> > *Sent:* Monday, November 02, 2009 11:55 AM > *Subject:* Re: [Haifux] advanced of programming in Linux > > I think the strong point is "The Unix Way", which is a mix and match of > tools, each good at doing a specific thing, by using shell , pipe and make. > Linux did not invent "The Unix Way", but like other FOSS, it provides more > options for the mix and match. Indeed many Unix systems are closed source, > and the Unix Way works there, too (better than it would work on Windows, I > expect). > > A point specific to Linux and Intel/AMD is valgrind, with which I nowadays > solve memory issues within seconds of programmer time. Solving similar > problems before I had Linux took me weeks sometimes (for a code I was not > familiar with, of tens of thousands of lines), and sometimes I just gave up. > > On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 11:16 AM, Vadim Eisenberg < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> I would like to present some points of a devil's advocate (some smart >> students can raise these counterclaims during the lecture) : >> >> 1. You can run batch files also on Windows (it for sure is less >> convenient than shell scripts on Unix, but it is not impossible) >> >> 2. You can use Ant instead of makefile (it is also less convenient >> than makefile + shell scripts, but is still possible) >> >> 3. You can use Perl on Windows >> >> 4. UNIX remark: I guess all the tools you mention pertain to Unix >> also, so in general you provide points for learning Unix tools, not >> necessary Linux ones. In particular, you probably can use them on cygwin on >> Windows. >> >> >> >> In general, my suspicion is that anything you can do in Unix, you can do >> also in Windows, but in a less convenient/less productive way. >> >> >> >> I hope not to make anybody here angry by providing such heretic remarks. >> >> >> >> Regards, >> >> Vadim >> >> >> >> *From:* [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] *On >> Behalf Of *Orna Agmon Ben-Yehuda >> *Sent:* Monday, November 02, 2009 10:51 AM >> *To:* Shahar Dag >> *Cc:* Haifux >> *Subject:* Re: [Haifux] advanced of programming in Linux >> >> >> >> I often see people spending approximately an hour each time, trying to >> understand why their change was not included in the executable. The answer >> is usually - because they forgot to insert the source into the list of >> sources in the makefile. When I show them how to automatically create a list >> of sources and compile them all, with the correct dependencies, the problem >> is forever solved. >> >> I use a makefile to build Haifux's site automatically in two languages, >> while compiling lists of lectures in different pages. >> >> I use make to properly build latex files, including the second pass >> required for bibtex. >> >> I use make ,diff, head to create automatic tests (regression tests) for >> various programs, compare them automatically with previous results, and >> produce a report of added capabilities, lost capabilities, changes requiring >> the attention of a professional. >> >> I use make and perl to create parametric sweep runs (batch runs with >> different input parameters in each run). I specifically use here the >> inherent quality of make, to work according to the date of targets, so that >> if the parametric sweep was disturbed in the middle, only runs older than >> the executable and input file are re-run. >> >> 2009/11/1 Shahar Dag <[email protected]> >> >> Hello >> >> >> >> To extent Elli's question: >> >> We try to convince our students that programming on Linux is easier / >> faster relative to Windows, so they better learn how to work with Linux. >> >> >> >> We claim that using the build in shell commands and pipes we can compose a >> solution for complex problem (almost) without programming. >> >> >> >> Can you point us for real life examples that prove our claims? >> >> >> >> Thanks in advanced >> >> Shahar Dag >> System & Software Development Laboratory (SSDL) >> Computer Science Department >> Technion - Israel Institute of Technology >> Haifa, Israel >> Tel. 972-4-829-4880 >> Fax 972-4-829-4878 >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Haifux mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haifux >> >> >> > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Haifux mailing list > [email protected] > http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haifux > > > _______________________________________________ > Haifux mailing list > [email protected] > http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haifux > >
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