Ch?o ch? Nhi, C?m ?n ch? ?? tr? l?i s?m. B?n th?n t?i coi ??y l? m?t s? kh?ng ??nh cho s? h? tr? c?a nh? n??c ta, c? th? l? t? q?i c? quan t?i c?c l? l?c c?a c?ng ??ng PMNM.
T?i bi?t, x?y d?ng ???c ??y ?? c?c hang m?c c?ng vi?c ?? ???c ph? duy?t, ti?n t?i c? funds cho c?c c?ng vi?c lo?i n?y l? kh?ng h? d?. Nh? th? tr??c, t?i ch? mu?n nh?n m?nh v?o vi?c trong khi th?c hi?n x?y d?ng c?c h?ng m?c c?ng vi?c ?? chuy?n ph? duy?t, q?i c? quan n?n tham kh?o c?ng ??ng ?? nh?n ???c s? h? tr? c?n thi?t, ??c bi?t l? trong c?c c?ng vi?c m? c?ng ??ng ?? v? ?ang th?c hi?n t?t nh? d?ch GUI, documentation. B?n th?n t?i kh?ng thu?c team d?ch OOo Vi?t Nam, nh?ng c? quan h? kh? m?t thi?t v?i h?, ??c bi?t l? qua HanoiLUG. T?i ngh?, HanoiLUG ch?nh l? k?nh th?ng tin h?u hi?u ?? ch? v? q?i c? quan tham kh?o ? ki?n c?ng ??ng (th?c t?, c?c th?nh vi?n HanoiLUG ?? ch? nh?n ???c th?ng tin forward t? 1 th?nh vi?n kh?c t? v?i ng?y tr??c m?i bi?t m?t s? vi?c q?i c? quan ?ang trao ??i v?i Sun v? c? 1 thread d?i ??n ng?y h?m nay). V? vi?c l?m sao c? th? ??a ra list c?c h?ng m?c c?ng vi?c (ngo?i d?ch thu?t) chi ti?t, th?m ch? ??n nh?n c?ng th?c hi?n (manday/month), c? nh?n t?i t? th?y l? kh?ng ?? ngu?n l?c th?i gian ?? t? l?m ra, m? n?u t?i c? l?n m? l?m th? c?ng kh?ng ph?i l? c?ch t?t nh?t. Theo ? ki?n ri?ng c?a t?i, q?i c? quan n?n x?y d?ng ra m?t b? khung c?ng vi?c chu?n bao g?m master plan, task list v? c? estimated resources c?ng t?t. ?? th?c hi?n vi?c n?y t?t, q?i c? quan th?m ch? c? th? m?i m?t s? chuy?n gia v?/ho?c th?nh vi?n t?ch c?c trong c?ng ??ng PMNM (t?i recommend lu?n anh Nguy?n ??nh Trung) ?? c?ng t?c, h? tr? (d? nhi?n l? theo ngu?n kinh ph? d? ki?n cho d? ?n - ri?ng m?n n?y t?i kh?ng r? c?ch th?c huy ??ng, v?n h?nh v? gi?i ng?n nh? th? n?o - v? th?c s? c?ng kh?ng mu?n ?i s?u v?o :). Sau khi c? b?n draft ??u ti?n, q?i c? quan g?i t?i c?ng ??ng PMNM v? c?c chuy?n gia kh?c ?? xin th?m ? ki?n xem li?u n?n s? d?ng ngu?n l?c, c?c k?t qu? ?? ??t ???c nh? th? n?o cho h?p l? ..vv.vv... ?? ho?n thi?n b?n k? ho?ch tr?nh ph? duy?t, chu?n b? cho vi?c start th?c s?. C?ch n?y nghe c? v? d?i d?ng, tuy nhi?n l?m t?t, theo t?i, ho?n to?n c? th? c? 1 b?n k? ho?ch ?? t?t trong kho?ng tr?n d??i 1 th?ng, ?? ?em ?i ph? duy?t. V? sau ?? theo b?n k? ho?ch ???c ph? duy?t, nh?n v? qu?n l? s? d?ng ngu?n kinh ph?, t?p h?p resources theo d? t?nh k? ho?ch v? b?t ??u c?ng vi?c theo ??ng h??ng. ??i ?i?u th?m th?t, c?ng ch?a h?n l? ??y ??, ch? l? thi?n ? c?a c? nh?n. Tuy nhi?n, hy v?ng c? th? ???c anh ch? tham kh?o ?? c? ???c c?ch th?c x?y d?ng k? ho?ch t?t nh?t thay v? ??t c?u h?i d?ng "V?y tr??c h?t xin ? ki?n c?c anh, ngo?i ph?n d?ch thu?t ... nh?n l?c th? n?o (ng??i-ng?y / ng??i-th?ng, kinh ph? d? ki?n ?) ?" nh? b?n d??i, r?t kh? nh?n ???c c?u tr? l?i ?? t?t t? m?t ng??i c? th? (v? nh? ch? bi?t, vi?c n?y ?ang ???c nh? n??c giao cho m?t c? quan kh? l?n nh? b?n ch? - ch? kh?ng ph?i l? 1 c? nh?n n?o ?? - l?n k? ho?ch ph? duy?t). M?t l?n n?a c?m ?n ch? v? hy v?ng c?ng ??ng c?ng HanoiLUG (c? th? ? ??y l? OOo team) c? ???c c? h?i h?p t?c v?i ch?nh ph? (m? c? th? ??i di?n ?ang ???c nh?c ??n ? ??y l? q?i c? quan) ?? g?p ph?n nh? b? th?c ??y vi?c s?n xu?t, cung ?ng d?ch v? v? s? d?ng PMNM t?i Vi?t Nam. Tr?n tr?ng, Tuan ----- Original Message ---- From: Nguyen Thuy Nhi <nh...@most.gov.vn> To: Truong Anh Tuan <dtanh at yahoo.com>; Hanoi Linux Users Group <hanoilug at lists.hanoilug.org>; Nguyen Dinh Trung <nguyendinhtrung141 at gmail.com> Cc: Nguyen Trung Quynh <quynhnt at most.gov.vn> Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 1:52:29 PM Subject: RE: [HanoiLUG] V? vi?c Vi?t ho? OpenOffice.org 3.0 C?m ?n anh Tu?n. Nh?ng ?i?u "m?n ??m" c?a anh ch?nh l? ?i?u ch?ng t?i ?ang m?y m? c?n nh?c x?y d?ng ?? l?m sao h?ng m?c ???c ph? duy?t. Vi?c n?y, ch?c anh hi?u, r?t kh?ng ??n gi?n. V?y tr??c h?t xin ? ki?n c?c anh, ngo?i ph?n d?ch thu?t (c? th? nh?ng kh?i l??ng c?ng vi?c ?? l?m v? c?n ph?i l?m ti?p ?), ch?ng ta n?n th?m hay ?i?u ch?nh nh?ng t?nh n?ng g? cho ph? h?p nhu c?u v? v?n h?a Vi?t ? ?? l?m ???c nh?ng t?nh n?ng ?? c?n nh?n l?c th? n?o (ng??i-ng?y / ng??i-th?ng, kinh ph? d? ki?n ?) ? Xin c?m ?n. NHI ________________________________ From: Truong Anh Tuan [mailto:dtanh at yahoo.com] Sent: Fri 13/06/2008 11:25 AM To: Hanoi Linux Users Group; Nguyen Dinh Trung; Nguyen Thuy Nhi Cc: Nguyen Trung Quynh Subject: Re: [HanoiLUG] V? vi?c Vi?t ho? OpenOffice.org 3.0 Ch?o ch? Nhi, Xin ph?p ???c "m?n ??m" v?i t? c?ch l? m?t th?nh vi?n HanoiLUG v? c?ng ??ng m? m? n?i chung. T?i kh?ng mu?n ph?i "?ao to, b?a l?n" g? ? ??y. C? th? trong thread ?ang b?n c?ch th?c h?p l? nh?t ?? Localizing OOo, theo t?i (v? ch?c h?n l? c?ng c?a h?u h?t m?i ng??i trong c?ng ??ng PMNM Vi?t Nam), ch?nh ph? v? c? th? l? c? quan ch?, ??n v? ?ang ch?u tr?ch nhi?m ch?nh trong vi?c n?y, n?n c?n nh?c thay v? b? ngu?n l?c l?m t? ??u (r?t t?n k?m v? c?n kh?ng ?t kh? kh?n th?ch th?c), h?y chuy?n m?t ph?n funds ?? cho c?ng ??ng (d? nhi?n l? ph?i r?t c? t? ch?c, ?? ??m b?o ti?n ???c ??a v?o ??ng ch?, tr?nh th?t tho?t thi?t h?i cho b?n th?n nh? n??c v? c?ng ??ng PMNM Vi?t Nam) ?? h? tr? th?c hi?n d? ?n. Ph?a q?i c? quan c?ng v?n c? Project Leader ?? ?i?u ph?i, th?m ch? add-on th?m nh?ng resources c? th? kh?c nh? infrastructure, marketing... ?? v?n h?nh t?t nh?t d? ?n Vi?t Ho? n?y t?o ra s?n ph?m th?c s? t?i tay v? nh?n ???c s? ?ng h? r?ng r?i c?a c?ng ??ng ng??i d?ng. V?i thi?n ? tr?n ch?c ch?n l? c?ng ch?a ??. T?i ch? mu?n nh?n m?nh v?o, l?m r? m? h?nh khung c?ch th?c t? ch?c, v?n h?nh d? ?n Vi?t Ho? n?y v? ??i ?i?u ?? ch? v? q?i c? quan hi?u r? h?n m?t ph?n suy ngh? c?a c?ng ??ng nh?ng ng??i l?m v?/ho?c s? d?ng PMNM. P.S. ?? nh?c th?m, xin gi?i ngh?a: localizing d?ch ngang ch?c ch?n l? "Vi?t Ho?". Ngh?a ??y ?? c?a c?m t? n?y d? l? ti?ng Anh hay ti?ng Vi?t v?n ch?nh l? ? m? ch? ?? n?i ra trong th? tr??c th?i: d?ch + ?i?u ch?nh, th?m b?t ch?c n?ng cho ph? h?p v?i ng??i Vi?t. Kind regards, Tuan ----- Original Message ---- From: Nguyen Thuy Nhi <nh...@most.gov.vn> To: Nguyen Dinh Trung <nguyendinhtrung141 at gmail.com>; Hanoi Linux Users Group <hanoilug at lists.hanoilug.org> Cc: Nguyen Trung Quynh <quynhnt at most.gov.vn> Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 10:55:50 AM Subject: Re: [HanoiLUG] V? vi?c Vi?t ho? OpenOffice.org 3.0 Ch?o anh Trung, Xin c?m ?n s? quan t?m c?a anh. Tr??c h?t ch?ng t?i c?ng xin n?i ?? c?c anh em hi?u r?ng : ch?ng t?i kh?ng ph?i chuy?n gia k? thu?t v? PMNM, nh?ng th?y nh?ng l?i ?ch c?a PMNM ?em l?i n?n ?? "li?u l?nh" th?c ??y "s? nghi?p" n?y. Ch?ng t?i ?? g?p r?t nhi?u kh? kh?n n?n mong mu?n th? nhi?u nh?ng k?t qu? ??t ???c c?n nhi?u h?n ch?. Tuy nhi?n m?y n?m qua, ch?ng t?i ?? n? l?c ??a PMNM, tr??c h?t v?o ???c trong c? ch? ch?nh s?ch (Quy?t ??nh 235 c?a Th? t??ng, Q? 169 c?a Th? t??ng ?u ti?n PMNM , Danh m?c PMNM khuy?n kh?ch d?ng trong c?c c? quan nh? n??c, Ch? th? c?a B? Gi?o d?c ??o t?o ??a PMNM v?o c?c tr??ng h?c, ...), v?o trong th?c ti?n ??i s?ng (h? th?ng th?ng tin c?a c?c c? quan ??ng trong c? n??c, ??a PMNM ?ng d?ng trong an ninh, qu?c ph?ng, th? ?i?m tri?n khai t?i m?t s? c? quan nh? n??c v? ??a ph??ngm, ...), c?c ho?t ??ng n?ng cao nh?n th?c t?i ng??i d?ng (chuy?n ?? PMNM tr?n VTV, tr?n t?p ch? Tin h?c v? ??i s?ng, chu?n b? m?t lo?t b?i gi?ng v? Ooo tr?n VTV2, ho?ng lo?t c?c chuy?n ?? PMNM trong c?c h?i th?o l?n h?ng n?m v? ICT : h?i th?o h?p t?c ph?t tri?n c?a B? TT-TT, Tu?n Tin h?c c?a VAIP, ??a ch? ?? PMNM v?o n?i dung thi Olympic tin h?c h?ng n?m c?a VN, nhi?u h?i th?o t?i c?c ??a ph??ng, ... Ngo?i ra r?t nhi?u n? l?c kh?c : v?n ??ng Ch?nh ph? b? phi?u tr?ng trong cu?c b?nh ch?n c?a ISO th?ng qua OOXML, ... Ch?ng t?i c?ng r?t mu?n l?m c?c c?ng vi?c "ho?nh tr?ng" h?n, nh?ng kinh ph? v? nh?n l?c r?t eo h?p. Ch?ng t?i m?i tho?ng ngh? ??n nh?ng vi?c thi?t th?c h?n cho n?m sau n?n m?i c? c?u chuy?n "b?n ??a h?a OpenOffice" v? b? sung th?m nh?ng t?nh n?ng m?i (anh David Tremblay n?i c? th? th?m ??n 500 t?nh n?ng). R?t mong c?c anh "ch? b?o" th?m v? mong nh?n ???c s? h?p t?c v? ?ng h? c?a c?c anh trong t??ng lai. Ch?c c?c anh s?c kho? v? th?nh c?ng. NHI ________________________________ From: Nguyen Dinh Trung [mailto:nguyendinhtrung141 at gmail.com] Sent: Thu 12/06/2008 8:04 PM To: Hanoi Linux Users Group Cc: Nguyen Thuy Nhi; Nguyen Trung Quynh Subject: Re: [HanoiLUG] V? vi?c Vi?t ho? OpenOffice.org 3.0 M?t v?n ?? quan tr?ng kh?c ch?ng ta ch?a ??a ra th?o lu?n, l? l?m sao ?? truy?n b? OpenOffice r?ng r?i h?n, ?? d?n d?n thay th? cho MS Office. N?u ch?nh ph? ta ch? ?? ra c?c ngh? quy?t, c?c v?n b?n ph?p l? mang t?nh khuy?n kh?ch th? ch?a ??. Li?u B? KH v? CN, sau khi quan t?m ??n OpenOffice, c? ??nh t? ch?c c?c h?at ??ng qu?ng b? cho OpenOffice kh?ng? V? d?, khi Microsoft sang Vi?t Nam, t?i th?y tr?n c?c ???ng ph?, c?t ?i?n n?o c?ng c? b?ng r?n "Nh?ng anh h?ng th?m l?ng". N?u OpenOffice n?i ri?ng v? Linux c?ng c?c ph?n m?m ngu?n m? kh?c c?ng c? c? h?i nh? v?y, th? c?ng ??ng ngu?n m? t?i n??c ta m?i ph?t tri?n nhanh ch?ng ???c. Kh?ng bi?t ch? Nhi v? anh Trung Qu?nh c? k? ho?ch g? li?n quan ??n vi?c truy?n b? ph?n m?m ngu?n m? cho ng??i d?ng cu?i nh? v?y ch?a? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.hanoilug.org/pipermail/hanoilug/attachments/20080613/12d0809a/attachment-0001.htm
