This is what STONE Cutter is supposed to do.  That is remove everything
except Kernel, FileMan, Mailman, MenuMan & ToolKit (I may have left
something out) from the general FOIA distribution..  This is what I have
been using for the past 20 years to build non medical applications such as:
* Financial management systems
* Inventory control systems
* Cruise booking systems
* Air defense operations center systems
* Class management & Room Booking systems
Regards,
Tom Ackerman
M Systems Plus, Inc.

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What would you like to see in a "Fileman Lite" (for lack of a better
term)?

--- T Maynard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I want to add one more "pipe dream" on this thread about 
> purposes for running Fileman and a mumps database outside of 
> VistA .
>    My goals of learning (and WV goals of M recruitment) 
> might be aided by daily use of something less intimidating 
> than Vista and with a more limited data dictionary (nor does 
> 24/7 banking qualify as a personal enterprise)
>   ...but what about a  *bookmark manager* .....
> something that can relate a  collection of URL's and 
> associated notes to any browser that is in use and reachable 
> on the network. Going a step further for  the small subset 
> of URL's that I must save (from possible oblivion) wouldn't 
> it be a treat to have them stored in a sparse array like 
> mumps.dat that documents the original context,notes future 
> change, and delivers the difference by proxy.
> 
>    Like EMR's, bookmark data  needs to be portable and
> just like HealthEVet, having access to a running 
> server/warehouse eliminates the need to import/export or 
> synchronize the collection between different browsers on 
> differing machines.
>     When I read the recent threads about reviving M and 
> combining it with other tools like Javascript for duty in 
> web applications  ... I just think of my hopeless balkanized 
> bookmark collections scattered on different machines and 
> browsers.
>       Such an personalized application is not so divorced 
> from the standard duty of document management at multiple 
> workstations provided by VistA.  Whether an academic center 
> or any other enterprise, getting to your bookmarks and notes 
> from anywhere is a valuable function of IT on the network.
>     If a tidy M server application could take care of that 
> with security and  neutrality in web access I will be a 
> devoted follower ...I'll keep that server up and running and 
> I might learn something along the way.
> 
> Rusty Maynard
> 
> Wolfgang Giere wrote:
> > I am used to use (and teach) FileMan since we translated version 14
> into German.
> > 
> > Now on my new Linux Notebook I had installed and running VistA on
> GT.M and tried
> > to generate for my own private use a FileMan separately. It toll me
> a while to
> > adapt to the GT.M world but finally it turned out to be real easy.
> > 
> > First I created a new folder "fm", then I
> > 
> > set the value of gtmgbldir "gtmgbldir=.../fm/mumps.gbl", "export
> gtmgbldir"
> > 
> > changed directory "cd fm"
> > 
> > started GT.M  "~/fm' gtm"
> > 
> > created "mumps.dat" using "D ^GDE" (it uses gtmgbldir)
> > 
> > So far everything was straight forward, easy and very well
> documented,
> > understandble (even for an oldie like me). The critical part was
> the generation
> > of FileMan.
> > 
> > I remembered D ^DINIT and it told me the well known "let me think
> ..." but ended
> > with an error message indicating that key and record length are to
> small.
> > 
> > GT.M's default is not enough for FileMan. One has to CHANGE it.
> > 
> > It took me a while to do that correctly. I studied the SHOW result
> of my new
> > mumps.gbl and compared it with the VistA one. One has to adapt the
> record
> > lenght  and the key lenght in REGION, the blocksize, allocation and
> extension in
> > SEGMENT:
> > 
> > GDE> c -r -record=1024 (change in region record lenght=)
> > 
> > GDE>  c -r -key=255 (change in region keysize=)
> > 
> > GDE> c -s -alloc= ... (change allocation according to your needs)
> > 
> > similarly I changed the extension.
> > 
> > Now, after I succeeded to adapt my mumps.gbl to the needs of
> FileMan, I could
> > crate mumps.dat using the adapted globaldirectory and run DINIT
> successfully
> > (without error messages).
> > 
> > Note: I did NOT need a special package as I had installed VistA and
> used the
> > same routines. Now I can swith to either demonstrate VistA or use
> for my own
> > purposes FileMan Vs. 22 tailored to my needs.
> > 
> > FileMan is hehaving as I am used to. It still is the wonderful tool
> I always
> > admired. Salute to George Timson and all the creative authors.
> > 
> > And thanks to Nancy Anthracite who brought me to the right idea
> mentioning file
> > execution rights. (I did not pay attention to the octals ... )
> > 
> > Next steps will be to make FileMan print, install the web interface
> using the
> > lessons published by the hardhats before etc. FileMan is a nice
> hobby for
> > M-seniors ... trying to remain creative (especially in winter time
> outside the
> > sailing season ;-))
> > 
> > Wolfgang Giere
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Terry Wiechmann wrote:
> > 
> > 
> >>We have used standalone File Manager for many years. We use it for
> our
> >>customer database. Also, all our Computer Based Instruction
> packages were
> >>implemented using it (structure only, all code for the Authoring,
> Delivery
> >>and Course specialization is written in MUMPS.)
> >>
> >>Installing standalone Fileman on Cache, MSM or DSM is trivial. With
> a little
> >>work on the documentation and DINZMGR (integrating the code Cameron
> put up)
> >>, the same could apply to GT.M.
> >>
> >>Terry L. Wiechmann
> >>www.esitechnology.com
> >>978-779-0257
> >>Skype: twiechmann
> >>----- Original Message -----
> >>From: "steven mcphelan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 9:18 AM
> >>Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] FileMan for GT.M
> >>
> >>
> >>>I have never used a stand alone Fileman.  Will Fileman work in an
> >>>environment which does not have Kernel installed?  If so, does all
> that
> >>>environment need are the M routines (both D* and %*) and %ZOSF
> global?
> >>
> >>Does
> >>
> >>>not Fileman need certain Data Dictionaries?  If so, how does one
> find out
> >>>which DDs Fileman needs or does not need?  Since this
> "environment" does
> >>
> >>not
> >>
> >>>have the Kernel, one cannot create a KIDS build for installation. 
> One
> >>
> >>could
> >>
> >>>create a KIDS build for export and then write a stand alone
> installer that
> >>>would read that KIDS file and setup the ^DDs, ^DIC, ^DIE, etc.
> >>>
> >>>This is not idle chatter on my part.  On my personal home computer
> I have
> >>>wanted to install  Cache 5.0 and then set up a system with just
> Fileman
> >>
> >>and
> >>
> >>>Kernel and nothing else.  Just identifying which components are
> necessary
> >>>(like which files) is not trivial.
> >>>
> >>>----- Original Message -----
> >>>From: "Terry Wiechmann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>>Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 7:48 AM
> >>>Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] FileMan for GT.M
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>It works fine when a routine export file is created with a DSM
> format
> >>>
> >>>using
> >>>
> >>>>Cache. However, it will not import a file created by Cache in its
> >>
> >>default
> >>
> >>>>format - at least not in my environment.
> >>>
> >>>
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