The reason given for getting rid of the M version of VistA and why people may 
show reluctance adopt VistA and that vendors of alternative products give for 
the reason people should not adopt VistA is that VistA is written in "T that 
Dead Language, M."  The MDC is a vital sign for M.  There are evolutionary 
changes that have been recognized as needed, even planned for in the past, 
and not implemented.  ( There was a long thread about changes that were 
planned, etc., back when Kevin first started delving into M programming and 
brought up the subject.)  There needs to be some updating done to the ANSI 
standard. In my opinion, not having this sign of life is a MAJOR PROBLEM.

When there MDC became defunct before, there were apparently a lot of factors 
involved, one of which was money to keep it going. Now there are a lot of 
alternative ways that meetings can be held. WorldVistA meetings are getting 
big enough that probably the occasional face to face meetings that might be 
necessary can be held in conjunction with them.

Some of the people on the WorldVistA board were active with the MDC, and they 
are stretched pretty thin right now and not able to take up this cause. There 
is a much wider community of M programmers out there that need to be 
energized and tapped to get this moving.  It isn't just a WorldVistA problem.

I am not an M programmer.  I am a VistA cheerleader.  I feel strongly that 
this is a major problem that needs solving to keep the VistA momentum going,  
not side lined because of something like this that can be remedied.  The 
speed and reliability of M has been proven over and over and there is no 
reason that VistA or M should be killed by neglect or that the VA should 
spend whatever countless millions of our tax dollars to migrate VistA to Java 
just because people are running around telling all of the politicians and 
anyone who will listen that "M is dead".   An active MDC is proof positive 
that  M isn't dead.  We need it and the sooner the better. 

Then we need some more college courses in M.  This VistA-Office push may be 
the perfect place to do that - couple VistA and M education. But that is for 
another trip to my soapbox!

On Monday 28 February 2005 08:57 am, Terry wrote:

> Why? To what end?
>
> Terry L. Wiechmann
>
> > By now everyone is sick of hearing me harp on this, but this Boston
>
> meeting
>
> > and get together with this active group of M programmers seems to me the
> > place to try to get the MDC going again.  I trust someone has invited our
> > German friends and British contacts, etc., to the get together. I have
>
> had no
>
> > response to my email sent to Japan.   If anyone has information about
>
> who I
>
> > should contact at the NEMUG to see if there is and interest among their
> > membership, or if someone who has the experience and knows members of
>
> that
>
> > group and could find out who has been invited and if there is any
>
> interest in
>
> > reviving the MDC, I would appreciate hearing from you.
> > --
> > Nancy Anthracite
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