Geez, Chuck;
You don't call, you don't write, and then you come out of left field with
a difference of opinion.... That is OK. Write up the proposal for the
specification as you see it and float it as an RFC. You might get a
following for your opinion. This is the wonderful thing about community,
there is so much opportunity for difference of opinion. It would be boreing
if everyone thought the same way.
By the way, what are you wearing??
Chris
----- Original Message -----
From: "chuck5566" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net>
Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 7:55 PM
Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] MDC Revival
> I'm afraid that I still couldn't disagree more. (I know, like THAT
> really matters.)
>
> I LIKE writing in M. One of things I appreciate about M is it's simple
> left-to-right order of precedence (OoP). I know M's OoP swims against
> almost every other language, as does my opinion. Maybe it's because
> I've used M's OoP long enough to appreciate and make use of it, or
> maybe I'm just too simple minded. ;-)
>
> Serious, maybe order of precedence could be an M system parameter in
> future versions.
>
> Cheers,
> Chuck
>
>
>
> On Mar 4, 2005, at 7:59 PM, Chris Richardson wrote:
>
> > I could not agree with you more, Kevin.
> >
> > Grouping the equations is the most rational idea. Depending upon
> > precidence
> > is a great way to build in an obscure bug. I haven't trusted a
> > precident
> > since Nixon. ;^)
> >
> > Have a great weekend.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Kevin Toppenberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net>
> > Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 4:11 PM
> > Subject: RE: [Hardhats-members] MDC Revival
> >
> >
> >> Greg,
> >>
> >> I agree that the M way of calculating this is
> >> different from other languages. But you couldn't
> >> change this without breaking old code. I would say,
> >> for good coding practice, that the line be written
> >> like this:
> >>
> >> (2+3)*4
> >> or
> >> 2+(3*4)
> >>
> >> depending which you were really wanting.
> >> In other words, just make the extra effort to be
> >> clear.
> >>
> >> Kevin
> >>
> >> --- Greg Woodhouse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Oh, that's easy: MUMPS is hard to learn because
> >>> 2+3*4 = 20.
> >>>
> >>> :-)
> >>>
> >>> Can you think of even one other language (using
> >>> infix notation, that
> >>> is) where this is true? (Okay, okay, I don't know
> >>> MIIS, but it might be
> >>> an exception.)
> >>>
> >>> --- "Sowinski, Richard J."
> >>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> When did everyone get so dumb ? You learned M. I
> >>> learned M. When did
> >>>> it all
> >>>> of a sudden get so difficult to learn it ?
> >>>> Are you saying we were smarter than the upcoming
> >>> generation ? I don't
> >>>> think
> >>>> so.
> >>>>
> >>>> The real problem with Vista right now is not the
> >>> language. It is the
> >>>> shear
> >>>> size of it, and the rat's nest of poorly
> >>> documented code
> >>>> under the hood, which is the result of years of
> >>> patching already
> >>>> patched
> >>>> code. I liken it to a huge wad of gum.
> >>>>
> >>>> A redesign in M is as valid as a redesign in any
> >>> other language. In
> >>>> fact, it
> >>>> would be much simpler. VA already has the
> >>> installed base,
> >>>> and the in-house expertise.
> >>>>
> >>>> We'll find out 10 years from now (maybe) when the
> >>> current redesign is
> >>>> finished, how well it works , and how many people
> >>> it takes to
> >>>> support it.
> >>>>
> >>>> Oh yeah, by the way, outsourcing has worked really
> >>> well. CoreFLS was
> >>>> a grand
> >>>> success.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>>>
> >>>
> >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>> Behalf Of
> >>>> steven
> >>>> mcphelan
> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 8:06 AM
> >>>> To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net
> >>>> Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] MDC Revival
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> I believe Cameron's statement about the VA
> >>> management not being able
> >>>> to back
> >>>> off of migrating to a newer platform is probably
> >>> very close to the
> >>>> truth.
> >>>> However, I am sure that there were some real
> >>> business management
> >>>> decisions
> >>>> made (or at least I hope so). I saw an article
> >>> recently that
> >>>> estimated that
> >>>> 40-50% of the current VA IT staff will be retiring
> >>> in the next 5
> >>>> years. If
> >>>> I was a manager of VA IT I would be very concerned
> >>> about that. I
> >>>> would
> >>>> seriously consider moving my technology to a
> >>> platform that enables me
> >>>> to
> >>>> recruit competent IT staff without having to rely
> >>> on in-house
> >>>> training for
> >>>> the next generation of VA IT support. I would
> >>> even consider
> >>>> technology that
> >>>> is inferior to my current technology as long as
> >>> the new technology
> >>>> meets my
> >>>> needs and gives me greater flexibilty in personnel
> >>> matters or provide
> >>>> me the
> >>>> opportunity to competitively outsource some IT
> >>> functions.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> =====
> >>> A practical man is a man who practices the errors of
> >>> his forefathers. --Benjamin Disraeli
> >>> ====
> >>> Greg Woodhouse
> >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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