I agree. But this is not to say that wonderful things
can't be made with M. One just has to work harder to
be careful.
Kevin
--- James Gray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I may be misunderstanding something, but isn't the
main problem that there
is no way to force encapsulation in Mumps. Even if
developers create well
designed public entry points/API's for a package, it
is always possible for
a Mumps programmer to bypass the official method for
using the entry points
for a package. It seems the problem is inherent to
Mumps, not VistA.
Jim Gray
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gregory Woodhouse"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 9:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] Question on updating
the database
> You're absolutely right. There are many serious
problems with VistA as it
> exists today, of which this is but one. What I
find incredibly
> frustrating (not to mention foolish) is that in
the name of advancing
> VistA we so often turn a blind eye to these types
of issues, or even deny
> that they are real problems. I can understand not
wanting to see it
> abandoned, but ignoring issues such as this is not
the right way to
> advance the technology. I believe we would be much
better off developing
> new modules that build on what we've learned from
VistA (and that's a
> LOT) and which interoperate with the existing
product to the extent that
> is possible. Unfortunately, this is an approach
that tends to be
> dismissed out of hand as being nothing more than a
euphemistic way of
> speaking of wholesale abandonment of the
technology.
>
> ===
> Gregory Woodhouse
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> "Before one gets the right answer, one must ask
the right question." --
> S. Barry Cooper
>
>
> On May 24, 2005, at 6:28 PM, Kevin Toppenberg
wrote:
>
>> I hear you. My point, though, is not that
tedious
>> work is necessary. But rather that one has a
fragile
>> system indeed if one rouge programmer can cause
havok.
>> When I work with the Microsoft Word OLE/COM
object,
>> there is NOTHING that I can do to that code that
will
>> harm that code. *IT* controls what happens
within its
>> boundries/domain/module.
>>
>> VistA/M seems to have essentially two levels of
>> security. Programmer level, and then user level.
>> Once someone has programmer access, they can do
>> ANYTHING. This can be good and bad.
>>
>> I just had a flashback to Marty quoting that
>> programming with other structured languages was
like
>> holding hands with your girlfriend at the Sunday
>> social. While M was like having sex with your
best
>> friend's girlfirend on the back of a motorcycle.
i.e.
>> wild, dangerous, and perhaps a lot of fun.
>>
>> LOL!
>>
>> Kevin
>>
>
>
>
>
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