>From cotton country - "gin" is correct. .../t > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hardhats- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nancy Anthracite > Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2005 10:10 AM > To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net > Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] Announcing the VistA Office EHR Discussion > Forum > > Actually, I thought that came from gin as in "cotton gin", or is it > "cotton > gen" ? (Just checked. Dictionary say "gin", short for engine. ) So I > have been doing this wrong for a long time. I can't blame it on a typo. > > On Sunday 31 July 2005 11:43 am, Joseph Dal Molin wrote: > > Thank you Nancy for taking the time to write this....I think you meant > > "gen up the VVSO" not "gin up" although we are probably more than ready > > for the second, I checked the number of subscribers a couple of months > > ago...it was about 320...it is now over 400...it will be interesting to > > see what the number is in a couple of weeks. > > > > Joseph > > > > (not wearing my VVSO hat) > > > > Nancy Anthracite wrote: > > > I just read the article David suggested we read. It must have been a > long > > > talk! Lots of food for thought and great trepidation. > > > > > > I am going to take a chance at making people angry and talk about what > > > has gone on behind the scenes and why the gentle attempt to help split > > > off some of the traffic anticipated for this list occurred now. > > > > > > Greg Kreis, who is on travel and probably will not even see posting, > was > > > on the horn with me about another subject and expressed his concern > that > > > the list was having so many postings that it was getting hard read > them > > > all and that when he saw the response to the NY Times article, he > > > figured when VO was released that the Hardhats would be inundated with > > > postings. > > > > > > It was not the inundation he was most concerned about. It was that > those > > > who came to Hardhats would be rapidly turned off by the technical > > > discussion, it would scare them off, dropping any thought of using > VistA > > > at all. They would be a permanent loss to the community. > > > > > > I told him that there were plans to gin up the VVSO (VistA Vendor > Support > > > Organization) web site into something with one or more email lists for > > > users, places to donate interfaces and templates and objects and the > > > like, etc., so that he might talk about it with Maury Pepper to see if > > > the VVSO site could help. I suggested Maury because he is part of > the > > > VVSO team but I thought since he was probably not in as much of a > state > > > of severe sleep deprivation as the rest of the VVSO team, he might be > > > able to focus better on the problem at hand. > > > > > > Maury talked with Greg and invited Greg to briefly join the WorldVistA > > > board meeting conference call Thursday night to see if they could come > up > > > with a plan that might work out. When a last minute invitation was > > > extended to me as well, I joined in. > > > > > > I think I can summarize the discussion by saying that everyone was > > > fearful of wrecking what the Hardhats mailing list has, which I will > not > > > attempt to define, but we all know it is really great stuff. This was > > > just a best guess as to what might be done that would preserve what we > > > have and yet also provide a useful forum for new VO adopters and at > least > > > some of the rest of us who straddle the fence between clinical and > > > technical. > > > > > > Greg felt the Hardhats began as largely a Kernel, Fileman, Taskman, > etc. > > > infrastructure list so that that dividing line between applications > and > > > infrastructure seemed like a reasonable one. The plan was to gently > > > encourage folks to move the discussion of a particular topic to the > most > > > appropriate list. That was it. Make the new list that was coming > anyway > > > and gently suggest ... nothing more ... and hope that even that is not > > > too much. > > > > > > I think those of us that have an interest in all aspects of VistA > would > > > do well to join the other list and just see what happens. It will all > > > show up in you mailbox together and you can hopefully just keep right > on > > > doing what you are doing with little change except the things more of > > > interest to the end user might end up on the VVSO list and those more > > > down an dirty, here. > > > > > > As for the Hardhats community/social interaction, I think that will > stay > > > right here and I hope a new social institution will arise for the VO > > > clinical users on the VVSO site. There is a whole group of people out > > > there working on VO that read the Hardhats list and never post a word. > I > > > found out when I went to one of the "Partners" meetings for VO where I > > > was greeted like an old friend by people I had never heard of because > > > they had read so many of my postings on Hardhats. VistA provides for > > > sort of an instant bonding when you meet someone like that. Hopefully > > > those folks jump in on a list that is more oriented to the sorts of > > > things they are doing with VistA so their expertise and insight can be > > > tapped and we can get to know each other better. > > > > > > Others of those that are reading this and not posting are programmers, > > > and I hope they will eventually feel comfortable letting us know they > are > > > here. > > > > > > OK, now it's your turn to chew up bandwidth. I used up more than my > > > share. > > > > > > On Saturday 30 July 2005 05:56 pm, David Sommers wrote: > > >>Why are we splitting lists? I'm treating Hardhats as "The VistA > > >>resource" outside of the VA. Does furthering VistA outside of the VA > > >>involve infrastructure vs support? Do the people that would respond > to > > >>Taskman questions not want to hear about setting up DUZ=1 before > > >>entering Fileman? To me - they're related. The same person that > > >>answers that question twice will help build the resource (Wiki) for > FAQs > > >>(as we all are), etc. Then when all the easy questions are answered > > >>(which they will), do they go here for the really tough stuff? > Wouldn't > > >>they go to the Wiki first and we just remind them on that on their > first > > >>newb post? > > >> > > >>Before you reply - give this long (but great) "article" a read: > > >>http://www.shirky.com/writings/group_enemy.html > > >> > > >>If you don't want to read it all, jump down to "Part Three: What Can > We > > >>Take for Granted?" (hint: use the browser's find text tool) > > >> > > >>I think we're all well connected to each other and contribute to this > > >>thing we've come to love. > > >> > > >>If someone can explain to me why I don't want to hear about installing > > >>VistA - tell me - because I'm listening and I'm seeing new and > exciting > > >>things growing up all around me. [And then tell me what Hardhats is > for > > >>again?] > > >> > > >>David Sommers, Architect > > >> > > >>-----Original Message----- > > >>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > > >>Joseph Dal Molin > > >>Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2005 1:12 PM > > >>To: hardhats > > >>Subject: [Hardhats-members] Announcing the VistA Office EHR Discussion > > >>Forum > > >> > > >>Dear Hardhats List Members, > > >> > > >>The WorldVistA VVSO has created a discussion forum specific to VistA > > >>Office EHR. Please post all messages relating to VistA Office EHR to > > >>this list. The exception being technical questions relating to VistA > > >>infrastructure issues, such as Fileman, Taskman etc. which should > > >>continue to be directed to the Hardhats list. > > >> > > >>We are creating this list with the full support of the HardHats list > > >>administrators, partly to address the anticipated significant increas > in > > >> > > >>traffic and diversity of messages expected with the launch of VistA > > >>Office EHR. > > >> > > >>To subscribe to the new list, go to: > > >> > > >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/vista-officeehr-forum > > >> > > >>Thank you, > > >> > > >>Joseph Dal Molin > > >> > > >>Program Manager, VVSO > > >>WorldVistA > > >> > > >> > > >>------------------------------------------------------- > > >>SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies > > >>from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, > > >>informative Webcasts and more! 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