On Mon, 2005-09-12 at 23:50 -0400, Ruben Safir wrote:
> Perl and Python are real programming languages and PHP is a tool kit
> which has gotten very popular with impatient programmers who are often
> not as rigorous in their training as they could be.
>  


Ruben.

I believe the following quote is very apropos.

Whatever language you write in, your task as a programmer is to do the
best you can with the tools at hand. A good programmer can overcome a
poor language or a clumsy operating system, but even a great programming
environment will not rescue a bad programmer. —Kernighan and Pike

Basically, "You can write Fortran in any language".

As much as I agree about your feelings with regards to PHP, I don't
believe that you can fault the language for its average user. To me,
that would be like blaming Ford for bad drivers, or the Internet for
stupid people. Just because someone takes a tool and uses it poorly
doesn't make the tool bad.

Again, I am not defending PHP as a
language/toolkit/whatever-you-want-to-call-it, but I don't believe you
are being fair to the number of good programmers that choose to use it
(I am sure there is at least one or two ;)).

--Todd



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