Ouch. Ok. ScreenMan does a reasonable job for what I want with telnet, and I am too lazy to learn a new system - especially until I get CPRS in full production. I guess I "manhandle" more than I realized I was. Certainly, I am changing to CPRS as it gives me a lot I can't get with telnet.
However, I can create a screen that handles some pretty nifty work in a few short minutes and it's hard to give that up. Perhaps if I did more with List Manager I could do the same. I need to put the ScreenMan weakness in a little better perspective. While the competition for locked records creates some hassle, it is far less frequent than our OS hassles. I would estimate that for every time we encounter that (locked record) problem, I will see something like 50 OS reboots for issues unrelated to FileMan, and probably 100 instances of someone who walked off leaving a record locked on another machine. XGF is new to me. I looked it up and find it intriguing, though I'm not sure I'm ready for it. thurman > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hardhats- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Woodhouse > Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 10:52 AM > To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net > Subject: RE: [Hardhats-members] How to select another record in ScreenMan > form? > > ScreenMan was originally introduced into Fileman to provide a > convenient mechanism for edciting an entire record at once. It's an > alternative to the familiar, one field at a time, "roll and scroll" > style of editing. It was not intended to be a general purpose UI > toolkit. If you want something more flexible, I'd recommend looking at > List Manager or developing your own tool using XGF rather than trying > to "manhandle" ScreenMan into doing what you want. > > --- Thurman Pedigo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Good points. You have to do a resident save command to trigger the > > action - > > we program a single key to do the save (for instance "F12^[Ops") > > accomplishes this. If you want to see the final result you would need > > to > > execute the save command. > > > > The two major weaknesses in ScreenMan are the need to exit the screen > > before > > you can load a new record (that isn't so bad). The other is one > > cannot load > > a record in strict inquiry mode. So if you have a screen with > > multiple > > blocks and records loaded then try to load from another terminal it > > that > > record is locked. The other complication occurs when you move to a > > new > > page/block with a locked record, the system may do an unwelcome exit > > losing > > data. > > > > If these two problems were fixed, I think ScreenMan would be a lot > > more > > popular. I still like it a lot. > > > > thurman > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:hardhats- > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of steven mcphelan > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 9:36 AM > > > To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net > > > Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] How to select another record in > > ScreenMan > > > form? > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "steven mcphelan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: <hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net> > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 8:37 AM > > > Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] How to select another record in > > ScreenMan > > > form? > > > > > > > > > > This cannot be done safely. Remember, Screenman has established > > many, > > > many > > > > local. private variables that have specific meaning. There is no > > tool I > > > am > > > > familiar with that tells Screenman to do a total environment > > refresh > > > while > > > > still inside the original screenman form for a particular record > > number. > > > > Remember, to enter a form you must first select a record and then > > enter > > > the > > > > form. I am sure that Fileman has initialized some local private > > > variables > > > > here prior to launching the M code that actually does the > > screenman form > > > > display. > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Thurman Pedigo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > To: <hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 1:09 AM > > > > Subject: RE: [Hardhats-members] How to select another record in > > > ScreenMan > > > > form? > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not an advanced user and not sure if this will work in > > your case. > > > > > However, I use triggers pretty extensively to populate, or > > change > > > fields, > > > > in > > > > > ScreenMan. You can make the field trigger conditional based on > > factors > > > > such > > > > > as whether the field already contains data. You could trigger > > the > > > field > > > > > anytime the HRN changes. You just need to be sure you are > > addressing > > > the > > > > > appropriate record. > > > > > > > > > > thurman > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:hardhats- > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Usha > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 9:08 PM > > > > > > To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] How to select another record > > in > > > > ScreenMan > > > > > > form? > > > > > > > > > > > > We are trying to make a ScreenMan form for adding/editing a > > patient. > > > The > > > > > > unique identifier for a patient is the Hospital Record Number > > (HRN) > > > > field > > > > > > from the IHS PATIENT file. When the HRN changes, the record > > of the > > > > patient > > > > > > being accessed must change accordingly. I have been able to > > create a > > > > > > routine > > > > > > which would return the IEN number of the patient record on > > passing > > > the > > > > > > HRN. > > > > > > When the form is run for the first time, the patient data can > > be > > > > accessed > > > > > > through the HRN. But later if the HRN changes, the patient > > record > > > being > > > > > > accessed does not change. > > > > > > Any idea how this can be done? > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Usha > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "Kevin Toppenberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > To: <hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net> > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 1:38 AM > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] How to select another record > > in > > > > ScreenMan > > > > > > form? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When I went through the video tutorials on Screenman, I got > > the > > > > > > impression that what you are wanting can't be done. But > > there might > > > > > > be much more power under the cover that I am not aware of. > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you describe the application you are wanting? > > > > > > > > > > > > Kevin > > > > > > > > > > > > On 9/27/05, Usha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a ScreenMan form, how can I change the record being > > accessed > > > > > > everytime > > > > > > > the value of a field changes? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > Usha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > This SF.Net email is sponsored by: > > > > > > Power Architecture Resource Center: Free content, downloads, > > > > discussions, > > > > > > and more. http://solutions.newsforge.com/ibmarch.tmpl > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > Hardhats-members mailing list > > > > > > Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net > > > > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > This SF.Net email is sponsored by: > > > > > > Power Architecture Resource Center: Free content, downloads, > > > > discussions, > > > > > > and more. http://solutions.newsforge.com/ibmarch.tmpl > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > Hardhats-members mailing list > > > > > > Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net > > > > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > This SF.Net email is sponsored by: > > > > > Power Architecture Resource Center: Free content, downloads, > > > discussions, > > > > > and more. http://solutions.newsforge.com/ibmarch.tmpl > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Hardhats-members mailing list > > > > > Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net > > > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > > This SF.Net email is sponsored by: > > > Power Architecture Resource Center: Free content, downloads, > > discussions, > > > and more. http://solutions.newsforge.com/ibmarch.tmpl > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Hardhats-members mailing list > > > Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > This SF.Net email is sponsored by: > > Power Architecture Resource Center: Free content, downloads, > > discussions, > > and more. http://solutions.newsforge.com/ibmarch.tmpl > > _______________________________________________ > > Hardhats-members mailing list > > Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members > > > > > > === > Gregory Woodhouse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > "Without the requirement of mathematical aesthetics a great many > discoveries would not have been made." > > -- Albert Einstein > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.Net email is sponsored by: > Power Architecture Resource Center: Free content, downloads, discussions, > and more. http://solutions.newsforge.com/ibmarch.tmpl > _______________________________________________ > Hardhats-members mailing list > Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members ------------------------------------------------------- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: Power Architecture Resource Center: Free content, downloads, discussions, and more. http://solutions.newsforge.com/ibmarch.tmpl _______________________________________________ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
