MONO IS AN OPTION. (read more...) I've been out of Java for about 2 years now in production quality coding and I'm just keeping up with it on the side... so take this as a "comment" and nothing more.
Swing has always (to me) looked like a poorly done cross-platform UI because it was never "truly" native on a given OS or browser. Under Windows it was 'ok' but it never looked right on a Mac. In a previous life, I worked at a digital printing company where I learn some mad skillz in graphic editing (before, during, and after) where most desks had both a Mac and a PC. So many of the apps we built were cross-platform but MAN was Swing not "truly cross-platform" from a designer's perspective. Designing forms in Visual Studio (albeit for Windows only) is a much more satisfying experience because "it just works". [And I know enhancements have been made and specs put forth to fix this - but it's still a bad taste in my mouth.] But give it up for Todd! Mr elite mono hacker. I'm a .NET convert because I find all the Java extensions, JSPs, and fragmented tool space just plain horrifying when you just want to get crap done. Todd, I'm SO surprised you didn't offer it up - so I am. Use Mono! http://www.mono-project.com/Main_Page [And I've been using Eclipse for about 3 weeks on my laptop again, damn - I thought they would've fixed the speed problem by now... oh well...] /David. David Sommers, Architect | Dialog Medical -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael D. Weisner Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 8:10 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] Cost to convert CPRS to Java Could we put the weapons down, please? I am an accomplished programmer and I get lost in some of these discussions. I would like to ask those of you who are knowledgeable, and willing, to attempt to explain a bit more to those of us who do not have enough background to follow the thread. I would appreciate it if you would expand on your reasoning for the selection of a particular product or library rather than just spar with each other. There is much to be learned from an appropriate exchange of ideas. I have no clue as to the difference between Java AWT and Java Swing, for instance. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ruben Safir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 7:56 PM Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] Cost to convert CPRS to Java > > > > And no, it wasn't obviously clear that you meant to use gtk+ instead of > > Java AWT. I am just going to assume you feel the same about Java Swing. > > > > Not clear to you anyway. Clear to anyone with enough background. As for swing, > don't know, and don't care other than the fact that as Java it has all the problems > Java has...proprietary licensing and ownership. You know, the kind of stuff that hampers > its universal use without strings attached. > > Ruben > > > > -- > __________________________ > Brooklyn Linux Solutions > > So many immigrant groups have swept through our town > that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological > proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998 > > DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002 > http://fairuse.nylxs.com > > "Yeah - I write Free Software...so SUE ME" > > http://www.mrbrklyn.com - Consulting > http://www.inns.net <-- Happy Clients > http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software > http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources - Unpublished Archive or stories and articles from around the net > http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/downtown.html - See the New Downtown Brooklyn.... > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.Net email is sponsored by: > Power Architecture Resource Center: Free content, downloads, discussions, > and more. http://solutions.newsforge.com/ibmarch.tmpl > _______________________________________________ > Hardhats-members mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members > ------------------------------------------------------- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: Power Architecture Resource Center: Free content, downloads, discussions, and more. http://solutions.newsforge.com/ibmarch.tmpl _______________________________________________ Hardhats-members mailing list [email protected] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members ------------------------------------------------------- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: Power Architecture Resource Center: Free content, downloads, discussions, and more. http://solutions.newsforge.com/ibmarch.tmpl _______________________________________________ Hardhats-members mailing list [email protected] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
