Well Chris I did look at the MSI board but it has one minor and one major
flaw.
Minor flaw - no overclocking potential.
Major flaw - does not contain the gamut of Expansion Slots
The Asus/Intel version of the ATI chipset includes
3 @ PCI-E x1
Now I am not really aware of any PCI-Ex1 devices but sooner or later there
will be sound, modem, etc and I would like to go that direction in the
future should the opportunity present itself.
Bob
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.From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hardware-
[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Reeves
.Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 1:58 AM
.To: 'The Hardware List'
.Subject: RE: [H] CPU Intel 6xx series v. AMD 939 (3 gig plus)
.
.If you don't want to move a lot of air, etc. the MSI R480-M2 board on
.the
.AMD939 side is pretty nice, though S-Video & VGA Only out :( But
.still,
.it's functional for MCE2005, has no fan on the
.southbridge/northbridge, and
.with a Venice core and the right case will stay nice and quiet.
.
.Either option will serve you well for MCE services ;)
.
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.From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
.[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of rls
.Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 11:49 PM
.To: 'The Hardware List'
.Subject: RE: [H] CPU Intel 6xx series v. AMD 939 (3 gig plus)
.
.Well on the AMD side was looking at the AMD Athlon 64 3200+ Venice
.1GHz $205
.And Intel Pentium 4 640 Prescott 800MHz FSB LGA 775 Processor $280
.
.Thing is I want to use the ATI 200 express chipset. So on the AMD side
.they
.only make MATX - so limited slots - and the MSI version has a few
.wrinkles
.than need addressed.
.
.Intel cpu would go in a full size Asus m/b that has a nice selection
.of
.advanced slots
.
.I want to put together a Media Center PC in a case that will not move
.a lot
.of air - hence the heat gen on the cpu is important.
.
.I don't want to purchase a video card at this time - cost and heat -
.and the
.ATI 200 express has the best current onboard video.
.
.
.BUT HEY - thanks for the observations - you always provide top notch
.info -
.thanks
.
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.From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
.[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Reeves
.Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 11:14 PM
.To: 'The Hardware List'
.Subject: RE: [H] CPU Intel 6xx series v. AMD 939 (3 gig plus)
.
.Even in the 90nm configuration, the Intel is still significantly
.hotter
.(significantly so).
.
.If you're comparing, it's somewhat difficult; AMD has two different 90
.nm
.chips on the market.. the newest being Venice.
.
.Venice offers SSE3, which is new to the AMD family, and a newer memory
.controller, it basically is coming in to replace the Newcastle core.
.
.Now, here's the thing, so far, in all our tests, the SS3 function
.doesn't
.make a giant bang in all applications (though it does in a few), but
.it
.keeps AMD within 2-4% of DiVX encoding and basically dead on with
.encoding
.Nero MP4, which is all I care about.
.
.But more then that, the Venice runs so damn cool it's freakish, and it
.makes
.overclocking with even standard fans a cinch..
.
.The 3800+ Venice core, right now, is one hell of a bang/buck. Below
.that
.I'd put a 3500+ Venice, then the P4 (right now).
.
.Venice 3800 - $386
.Intel 660 comparable: $620.
.
.So, a little more then $80. For that kind of price difference.. shew.
.The
.650, which would be closest comparable (about $80) is not a direct
.compare
.to the 3800+ Venice, because in multiple areas (outside of encoding,
.where
.it is neck & neck) it gets stomped.
.
.CW
.
.
.
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.From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
.[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of rls
.Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 9:43 PM
.To: 'Brian Weeden'; 'The Hardware List'
.Subject: [H] CPU Intel 6xx series v. AMD 939 (3 gig plus)
.
.--- Note please comment if you have had hands on experience with both
.of
.these CPU's
.
.1 - AMD 939 with 90 nano design
.
.And
.
.2 - Intel 6xx with 90 nano design
.
.
.Both cpu's can operate in an 64-bit environement
.Both cpu's are designed to run 'cooler'
.
.The AMD is cheaper clock v clock
.The Intel employs a 2 mg cache to offset the lack of significant
.increased
.clock speeds.
.
.
.So the question - What was your overall impression of both systems?
.
.Did the Intel display a clear superiority in video creation - and if
.the
.video cards were the same, how about overall video performance.
.
.The Intel option is going to cost me about 70-80 more and I want to go
.that
.direction as that motherboard has the overall features I want. I would
.feel
.better about making the purchase if the Intel was faster in important
.areas.
.
.
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