Turkey is a great example of religious oppression not religious freedom.
-----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hayes Elkins Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 10:11 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [H] Failure Cars Standard with Wings was.... >From: "G.Waleed Kavalec" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: The Hardware List <[email protected]> >To: "The Hardware List" <[email protected]> >Subject: Re: [H] Failure Cars Standard with Wings was.... >Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 11:57:51 -0600 > >On 3/9/06, Chris Reeves <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > What has happened in numerous areas of the world is that religious >zealots > > of all forms - not just islam - take their faith so seriously that they > > use > > it as an oppressing hammer to beat the piss out of people. > > > >Excellent example: the neo-cons, controlled by the Radical Christian Right, >have killed AT LEAST 100,000 CIVILIANS in their war on Iraq. Plenty >elsewhere, too. Link? >I would say something very offensive, but the reality is, the entire area > > needs to be modernized in a monumental way in regards to it's treatment >of > > women. > > >The myths about the treatment of women in Islam continue, I doubt I will >dissuade anyone here who simply want to believe them. But for those with >any interest in the truth, try (again) doing a little homework: Study >Indonesia as a positive example - the largest Muslim country in the world. >Or are you of those who think Arab and Muslim are synonymous? The reality >is that Arabs make up only 12% of Islam today. In other words, forget about the rest of the majority islamic nations and instead just pay attention to Indonesia, ignoring the REALITY (not a "myth") that women are treated as property or at best second class citizens elsewhere in the Islamic world. BTW, Indonesia's human rights record does not hold a candle to Turkey's. I'm surprised you do not use Turkey as a shining example of a free Islamic nation. >The reality is that Islam brought the idea tha woman could own and/or >inherit property to the Arabian peninsula 1400 years ago, at a time when >women pretty much WERE property in most of Europe. Islam declared the >unthinkable notion that a woman could say "no" to an arranged marriage! >(Anyone wonder that Muhammad had his enemies?) And now muslim women are back to being property again. Funny that. 80 lashes for you! >Actually you are close to decribing the reality happening in Iran today; >the >young are growing up with a taste for free expression, but with a healthy >disdain for the excessives of the west. The hard-line Shi'a-extreme old >guard is scared to death of this, but so are Bush's puppet-masters. The >up-and-coming generation of Iranians have a dangerous combination: the >solid >ethical principles of Islam, and a clear picture of the modern world. >Nukes? Screw nukes. It is this new combination that frightens the >neocons. I think what scares any sane person the most about Iran is the newly ELECTED madman president who calls for the destruction of Israel. The moderate youth of Iran need to try harder next time, I know it's tough considering many better canidates were removed from the electoral process. PS: I wonder if any of the European countries with holocaust denial laws have the balls to arrest Ahmadinejad the minute he steps foot into their country. I personally find the laws silly but whatever.
