LOL, dunno when I became a Jim! It's Josh, nice to meet you again... ;)

Personally I favor ATI X2 solutions because you get best bang on a single 16x slot (assuming support from the games you choose to play). Moving from an AMD XP3200 & X850 AGP to Q6600 & PCI-E HD3870X2 the difference in the *look of* Crysis, never mind frame rate, knocked my socks off! Just wish I had not spent $400 in March to find in December the same bread bought a 2x faster 4870X2 for similar cost (FutureMark ~16481 vs ~35253).

Benchmarks don't mean a whole lot vs. just playing the games you want to play but certainly moving from a X800 to a newer ATI or NV card is going to make a major difference. FutureMark came with one of the video cards I bought, so I use it FWIW to that I am on-par with similar setups. Stability testing is Prime95 and a few others. Monitoring it all would be CPU-Z, GPU-Z, and Everest.


Bino Gopal wrote:
Ahh ok; thanks Jim; my only question is (to what Bobby said) will upgrading
the video card actually make a difference in my system?

Bear with me, but it's been a while since I've done anything with my
system...I guess what I'm trying to figure out is how much of a perf
difference will having a 4830 OC'ed in my system be vs having it in a more
recent system...I mean, I have a PCIe x16 slot, 3.4Ghz CPU and pretty fast
HDs...

Maybe I'm asking how to benchmark my system, lol.  I know it might seem
pretty n00b, but as I said I haven't had to deal with that in a while, and
what would you guys recommend as a speed test software (that I can easily
get) that I could run on the system (it's WinXP MCE btw) that would give me
an idea of perf before I upgrade of CPU and vid card, and then after, of the
CPU and vid card, which I could then compare to online reviews of a newer
CPU and the same vid card so I can see how much the old CPU is holding me
back...and I guess I should test framerates of the game too, right, since
that's what I care about?

Like I said, sorry for sounding so n00b but it's been a while and I've just
been mostly working the last few years and now with the GF, no free time to
keep up on all that! :P  Thanks guys!

                                                        BINO


-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of maccrawj
Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 6:47 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [H] Thoughts on a new system?

Video card should give big boost over the 800, heck the 850 was a boost over
800. Personally I recommend ATI's X2 cards others will likely mention Nvidia....

Personal advice: AVOID Sapphire because they had major cooling system
issues, weren't fixing them, continued to sell products with the bug, and were mum on the issues a few months back before the ATI 4xxx series stuff hit. I'll never use them again after 2 swaps left me with a 3870X2 card that I was told by Sapphire support to "use ATI tray tool to manually control the fan" for $400.

CPU wise C2D & Quad do give back on modern games from what I've seen.

LOL, I've spent $3000 between my old 2004 system & the new 2008 system!

Bino Gopal wrote:
<snip>
 > the weakest link, the ATI Radeon X800 XT vid card
(PCIEx16 though).
So what I'm wondering is if I can make a budget purchase of a vid card to
make this system capable of running these and other games, as I think the
P4
3.4 GHz is still a perfectly serviceable chip-I mean, how many games
actually use multi-threading to real effect nowadays?  I can just add 2GB
of
RAM (which should be cheap) as I am using 10k RPM HDs in RAID0 to run
stuff,
so it should be a decently fast system even by current measurements right?
Or am I missing something in the equation?

Well, assuming upgrading the vid card would help, I got the Sapphire ATI
Radeon HD 4830 with 512MB GDDR3 RAM from Newegg for $100 (fyi $90 after
rebate which I never do, and special combo price with a OCZ Diesel 16GB
USB
flash drive); I figured at that price I could handle eating it-it's only
$100!  It's PCIEx16, thought my only worry is that is says it's PCIE 2.0
x16, but I think I read those are backward compatible with PCIE 1.0 x16
systems like mine.


Anyway, the card is *very* overclockable; some reviews had it ahead of
even
the stock 4870 in tests, so I figure it was the best bang for the buck,
and
that if a $100 investment could make my old system ($3000 at the time for
everything) last another year, it'd be worth it.  The plan would be to go
with a completely new i7 system once all that stuff is cheaper, so new
CPU,
MB, case then, and probably get a better vid card and HDs too.

Thoughts on any of this?  One worry is that I've read that Oblivion might
be
CPU-limited; couldn't figure out if that would happen to me or not.  Only
other worry is if the card would work; guess I'll find that out soon
enough.
So did I reason this all out correctly or would someone like to point out
the flaw in my logic? :P

BINO




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