I would point out a few things.  I've used Acronis and Ghost for some time.  
Ghost 2003 was the last version of ghost at all worth using. In regards to data 
corruption, I've seen/dealt with far more real corruption from ghost beyond 2003

The point regardin ghost2003 no longer supporting hardware is valid. Ghost 2003 
doesn't always find drive controllers, and has issues with ahci configurations 
where performance is either slow as a dog or invalid.  

Ghost 2003 bootable is one of the best products ever.  But it is slipping in 
hardware support, seems to go wonky with 2tb drives, and more drive controllers 
are not hot. (It also definitely doesn't grasp usb3.0 and sata3 controllers)
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Christopher Fisk wrote:
> Hey Folks,
> 
> I've been using my old version of Ghost  for years, with no problem. 
> Booting from a floppy and migrating my windows install from smaller to 
> larger and larger drives.  I've finally got to the point where that 
> version no longer supports my hardware,

I still supports your hardware, you're only experiencing the usual BS from not 
using a brand new HDD.

>I get some archaic error from 
> DOS saying it can't read my drives for some reason.  Rather than mess 
> around with it trying to fix it, I've considered just getting a new 
> program to handle the job.

In your case, the "right way" to do it could be imaging only the O/S partition, 
and nothing else.

But doing so leaves the hidden partition made by the O/S (e.g. XP) behind, and 
hence before doing a migrate, you'll have to wipe your new drive, including the 
MBR, and 
then do a repartitioning. Check that the new boot partition is at least the 
same size as the imaged partition.

Disconnecting the IDE/SATA cables from every other drive in the system may also 
help. The O/S wil find these drives again, don't worry.

Also, when entering Ghost, it'll ask you if you want to mark the drive(s) as 
usable with Ghost. Deselect this option.

> Is Acronis True Image what I'm looking for?  I want to boot from 
> (prefereably) USB thumbdrive and be able to make an image to an external 
> USB drive.  Booting from CD or floppy is a close second choice.

Maybe, maybe not.

The boot game is like the game of "scissors, paper, stone", if you know what I 
mean.

The priority levels are hard coded, and the old floppy has the main advantage. 
Next comes floppy emulation on CD, next the HDD, and finally the USB drive.

Right now I run XP from a 4GB 133x CF card on a CF to IDE bridge card (goes 
right into the IDE connector on the MB), with swap file on a separate HDD 
partition, and it 
boots from BIOS beep to login prompt in less than ten seconds. That is 
seriously fast, so why use a USB pen for boot?

For my internet system, I'll soon install a SD to IDE bridge card, making a 
boot from a write protected .iso image possible w/30MB/sec.

Those adapter cards are only about ten bucks, about the same as for a 4GB SD 
card that does 20MB/sec. Beats any USB pen any time, plus the system sees the 
drive as a 
genuine HDD with all the benefits preserved.

About the back up to USB HDD, you'll need either back up from within Win, which 
is OK using non-O/S partitions, or you'll need a DOS floppy supporting USB 2.0, 
which is 
very hard to come by.

Splitting the b/u assignments therefore seems like a reasonable suggestion.

Making a reliable b/u of an O/S partition, You'll need something that operates 
at a low level, like the floppy disk, or at least floppy emulation (Nero). Or 
making a 
super-floppy image on a bootable USB pen, meaning FAT12 formating, which XP 
does not support, but NT4 and 2K does, as far as I remember.

While I haven't looked into DOS floppies with USB 2.0 support recently, I know 
that IBM used to support this with PC-DOS. Forget about the MS-DOS USB support, 
as it only 
reaches as far as USB 1.0.

Maybe bootdisk.com has something, I dunno.

> I then want to take that USB drive and put it internal into the system 
> and take the smaller drive out of service.

What do you expect to gain from this?

> Running Vista Home Premium and have a few EXT3 drives on my main HDD.

Ghost 2003 works fine with Vista, done that about 35-40 times now.

> I've not been impressed with Ghost 2003 or Ghost 10, but if Ghost14 is 
> any better than those I can go with that as well.

With Ghost 2003 most people overlook the fact, that back up of NTFS/*nix 
partitions/drives only is supported when writing directly to CD or DVD, as 
stated in the manual.

Used as intended, it seriously rokcz. My XP system fits on a single CD 
(installation/configuration only, using hard compression), and the same goes 
for my three *nix systems.

> Following the link I found on the list a few weeks ago I can get Acronis 
> True Image for $30.

Knock yourself out :)

Though, you might want to consider that Acronis still has an unsolved history 
of data corruption, which is well documented on the internet. The reason could 
be that they 
are trying to pull off low level operations from a higher level, which in 
theory could be done by using the right sys calls and the right drivers. 
However, to my humble 
experience, this is not possible without making shortcuts and thereby glitches.

> What do you think?

I don't think anything, besides what's your needs?

Do you want data reliability?, Do you want a back up that you for a fact know 
works?

Does it have to be through a mouse operated GUI, or can you accept that your 
back up may not work when you need it the most?

IMHO, everything has its place, and for back ups, this place is the CLI.

HTH

../s

> 
> 
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> 
> Christopher Fisk

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