haha I'd hang out w/ Duncan any time, he's got style and a sense of humor!
On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 11:05:57PM -0400, DSinc wrote:
> Anthony,
> Thanks for your share. What age do you live in?
> Best,
> Duncan
>
>
> On 03/31/2011 22:57, Anthony Q. Martin wrote:
> > Are you serious? Move out of the dark ages or at least don't expect the
> > rest of the world to hand out there with you.
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
> >
> > On Mar 31, 2011, at 10:38 PM, DSinc<[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> OK. Please tell me how the Internet use is differently than
> >> back in 1970?
> >> Really curious now..... :)
> >> Duncan
> >>
> >>
> >> On 03/31/2011 21:33, Anthony Q. Martin wrote:
> >>> The way it is used.
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPad
> >>>
> >>> On Mar 31, 2011, at 9:07 PM, DSinc<[email protected]> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Anthony,
> >>>> Fine. Agree. What set of technologies portend renaming Internet to Cloud?
> >>>> Best,
> >>>> Duncan
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On 03/31/2011 20:30, Anthony Q. Martin wrote:
> >>>>> The tech behind the "cloud". Saying it's a marketing term is besides
> >>>>> the point. And its not just a marketing term, either, as it refers to
> >>>>> a set of technologies that accomplishes a certain thing. It not just
> >>>>> the internet, either. The term was in use well before people started
> >>>>> trying to push it as they are now. Why the big deal over this simple
> >>>>> term? It's not as if any of us get to decide what terms get used.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Sent from my iPad
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Mar 31, 2011, at 8:20 PM, DSinc<[email protected]> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Anthony,
> >>>>>> What "tech?" CLOUD is a marketing name. The INTERNET is already a
> >>>>>> reality. OK. Don't like the term "Internet". Fine. Let's rename it
> >>>>>> "Cloud."
> >>>>>> Fine.
> >>>>>> Best,
> >>>>>> Duncan
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On 03/31/2011 20:10, Anthony Q. Martin wrote:
> >>>>>>> Why is there even a question of credibility? We all understand what
> >>>>>>> is being referred to....a name hardly seems like a big deal.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> But yes, if the people who conceive of the tech don't have problems
> >>>>>>> with that term, why should anyone else?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Sent from my iPad
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Mar 31, 2011, at 7:59 PM, DSinc<[email protected]> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Anthony,
> >>>>>>>> Fine. So just because other "technical" people use the term, it
> >>>>>>>> gains credibility?
> >>>>>>>> "Cloud" is a concept at best. Yes, it is available to those willing
> >>>>>>>> to be research
> >>>>>>>> test subjects. No harm, no foul.
> >>>>>>>> I quit. "Cloud" is a server farm to me.
> >>>>>>>> Best,
> >>>>>>>> Duncan
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On 03/31/2011 19:51, Anthony Q. Martin wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> This point is that technical people, though who actually design and
> >>>>>>>>> test this stuff, use the term. Further, the term is in wide use
> >>>>>>>>> already.....just look around. Who cares if it is hardware or not.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On Mar 31, 2011, at 7:46 PM, DSinc<[email protected]> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Anthony,
> >>>>>>>>>> Just because "research papers" use the new terminology "cloud
> >>>>>>>>>> storage" does
> >>>>>>>>>> not, to me, make "Cloud Storage" a real, main-stream term.
> >>>>>>>>>> When the end of "research" outputs a "product" I may use this new
> >>>>>>>>>> term.
> >>>>>>>>>> For now, we are all arguing about interesting planetary server
> >>>>>>>>>> farms.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Sorry, I cook wieners at Bryan's camp fire this time. Ultimately
> >>>>>>>>>> your "Cloud" theory
> >>>>>>>>>> remains hardware based. Unless I have missed something, software
> >>>>>>>>>> can
> >>>>>>>>>> never perform any promised benefit without agreed upon hardware,
> >>>>>>>>>> connection
> >>>>>>>>>> to the Internet, and, appropriate security protocols.
> >>>>>>>>>> Should you lean Software, fine.
> >>>>>>>>>> I lean Hardware.
> >>>>>>>>>> Best,
> >>>>>>>>>> Duncan
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> On 03/31/2011 19:21, Bryan Seitz wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> Ok you win, cloud cloud cloud cloud cloud yay.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 05:04:46PM -0400, Anthony Q. Martin wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Bryan,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> I'm surprised at you. You're attempting to bully people into
> >>>>>>>>>>>> using YOUR
> >>>>>>>>>>>> preferred terminology. But saying that use of terminology is not
> >>>>>>>>>>>> in
> >>>>>>>>>>>> practice by those who are technical is total nonsense. Just
> >>>>>>>>>>>> look at all
> >>>>>>>>>>>> these research papers that use the term "cloud storage".
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> http://xplorebcpaz.ieee.org/search/freesearchresult.jsp?newsearch=true&queryText=cloud+storage&x=0&y=0
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/31/2011 4:31 PM, Bryan Seitz wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I did not mean it as an attack, I was just saying this is a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> technical list and we all believe
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> we are technical, so no reason to perpatuate bad nomenclature.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 04:00:44PM -0400, Brian Weeden wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for the personal attack. It really lends credibility to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> your
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> argument.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ---
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Brian
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 3:14 PM, Bryan
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Seitz<[email protected]> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Good point but but on a technical list (And I assume you
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think you are
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> technical),
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would expect the buzzwords to be less frequent. Even if
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your data is on
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a server or
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a bunch of servers it could just as easily be called
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> remote/online backup.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The term Cloud
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is purely marketing bullshit at this poing. Products that
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have been around
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for ages started
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> calling themselves cloud even though nothing had changed.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ps. Actually Amazon is not scattered that much, usually local
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to a single
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> datacenter and lucky
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if you have 3 copies, I worked there :)
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 12:59:52PM -0400, Brian Weeden wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The reason to use "cloud": is to convey that it is a service
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that isn't
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tied
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to a specific machine or set of machines. Even if you use
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "online server
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> storage" that still infers that a specific computer or
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cluster of
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> computers
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> somewhere has the data. And if that computer dies, the data
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is gone.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The whole point with a cloud-based system is to separate the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> service
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (processing power, data storage, whatever) from the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hardware. Gmail is a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cloud-based service, and as a user you have no clue where
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the data is
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> physically stored, where the processing is done, or how it
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gets to you
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the case of a true cloud (like Google, Amazon, Rackspace,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> etc) the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> data
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is likely scattered everywhere, across multiple
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> backbones/grids/continents.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bryan G. Seitz
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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Bryan G. Seitz
