Yeah, the police lifted his fingerprints from the car. Here's the deal, Islam states that the "deeds" you get by forgiving a criminal is very high and although you have the right to ask for full punishment for him, it's always beneficial to forgive. I would say that about 70% of all cases are forgiven.
I know of a case recently where there was burglary and the criminal was forgiven from getting his hand chopped off, that being said, the man who got robbed asked for a full prison sentence but no hand chopping. I know this is all alien to western people, but that's the system here. Heck even I find it extreme, but the religion does allow for it. It doesn't mean one has to do it, but they chose to do it. On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 6:12 PM, Anthony Q. Martin <[email protected]>wrote: > Yes, that is some interesting stuff, Zul. Did the kid have to be found > guilty in some kind of court or was it just based on the police report? > Are most people there as forgiving as you are? I fear what would happen > to people if that system were used here. > > > On 2/23/2012 9:34 AM, Zulfiqar Naushad wrote: > >> I will refute some of it but a lot of it is spot on. >> >> The photography part is a fib. You can take photos but just not of >> strangers without their prior consent. >> >> Regarding the alcohol offenses all I have to say is that it's now like >> prohibition in the 20's. >> >> For the beheading yes it's still done but it's overblown out of >> proportion by the media. Don't forget capital punishment is still >> practiced in the states. >> >> As a Muslim I think that the Salafi (Wahabi) style of religion in >> Saudi Arabia is way way way way way too extreme. >> >> Honestly speaking Saudis in general are very nice people but you just >> have to understand and respect their beliefs. >> >> Wether it's right or wrong is not of consequence. Why don't people >> raise a stink about the Amazonian tribes who still practice body >> mutilation and neck stretching for females test what happens in Saudi >> Arabia is a big deal? >> >> I just think if you don't like it leave it alone. Getting people to >> change is. It my or anyone's job. It's a culture and it's more natural >> for the culture to evolve itself. >> >> Oh yeah regarding the cutting hands part. It's a bit interesting. The >> Islamic edicts dictate that if someone steals from you and the thief >> is caught you are in control for what happens to him. It is always >> more beneficial to forgive. >> >> I'll give you an example. I bought a new car in 2006. A week later >> there was a lid knocking on my door at 3 am. Turns out that the police >> patrol had caught a perp who had broken. My car window ad stole some >> things. >> >> Long story short this guy was a juvenile. The police asked me if I >> would forgive him or not. I asked them what's the maximum punishment >> for this offense. They said 1 year in juvenile detention. >> >> I asked if there was a rehab program and they said yes. >> >> So I said that the perp should go to jail for the minimum time (1 >> month) and should go through the rehab program. >> >> In other words I was merciful and although didn't let him off the hook >> completely, I did teach him a lesson. Interesting thing is that 1 year >> later the police contacted me again and it was the perp who wanted to >> get in touch with me and he thanked me for being lenient and said that >> he had leaned his lesson and that he was sorry for breaking into my >> car. >> >> Interesting eh? >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Feb 23, 2012, at 12:34 AM, Bryan Seitz<[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Terrible laws, covered up women, religious extremists, NO THANKS! :) >>> (Sounds like the USA in some parts lol) >>> >>> OMG below: >>> >>> 7. Murder and sexual immorality such as adultery or homosexual acts >>> carry the death penalty in Saudi Arabia. So does apostasy (renunciation of >>> the Muslim faith). The death penalty is carried out in public, usually by >>> beheading. Serious and/or persistent theft is punished by cutting of the >>> thief's right hand. This, too, is done in public, usually in front of the >>> main Mosque after mid-day prayers on Friday. >>> >>> >>> 10. Sentences for alcohol offences range from a few weeks or months >>> imprisonment for consumption to several years for smuggling, manufacturing >>> or distributing alcohol. Lashes can also be part of the sentence; and a >>> hefty Customs fine if smuggled alcohol is involved. The authorities also >>> hand out stiff penalties to people found in possession of equipment for >>> making alcohol. >>> >>> 11. The Saudis take a particularly serious view of drug offences. The >>> death penalty is frequently imposed on drug smugglers, including >>> foreigners, and sometimes also on minor traffickers found guilty on a >>> second or subsequent charge. Possession of even the smallest quantity can >>> lead to a 2-year prison sentence. >>> >>> 13. The Saudis are dignified and hospitable people. Work and social >>> life are strictly divided by sex. Outside the family circle the sexes do >>> not mix at all. Most Saudi women cover their faces in public. It is >>> illegal for women to drive. >>> >>> 15. Strictly speaking, photography is not permitted in Saudi Arabia. >>> >>> 17. There is no absolutely correct dress code for Saudi Arabia: the best >>> way for both men and women to avoid getting into difficulties is to dress >>> conservatively in public. Most women wear an abaya (black cloak) and some >>> also decide to cover their hair in order to avoid confrontation with the >>> Mutawwa (or religious police) who patrol the suqs (markets) and shopping >>> centres and who often challenge women on this point. Men should not wear >>> shorts in public. >>> >>> >>> Please refute some of that, it seems overly harsh! >>> >>> On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 11:27:08PM +0300, Zulfiqar Naushad wrote: >>> >>>> You don't know what you're missing out on :-) >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On Feb 22, 2012, at 10:29 PM, Bryan Seitz<[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> Places I don't ever want to live... anywhere in the middle east k thx >>>>> :) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 09:50:59PM +0300, Naushad Zulfiqar wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> There is no LTE in Saudi Arabia, so I will be getting the 3G UMTS (4G) >>>>>> version. >>>>>> >>>>>> Less battery issue than the CDMA LTE version in the USA. >>>>>> >>>>>> :) >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 9:49 PM, Bryan Seitz<[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I have one and love it, w/ the marginally better extended battery. >>>>>>> Battery life on 4G/LTE sucks, otherwise >>>>>>> it is comparable to current phones. 4G is @#%@ING fast, i've hit >>>>>>> 35Mbit/sec while in a car :) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 08:48:23PM +0300, Naushad Zulfiqar wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Any of you guys have a nexus? I was an android user and I bought an >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> iphone >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 4s, and I now miss android phone. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Bryan G. Seitz >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Best Regards, >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Zulfiqar Naushad >>>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> Bryan G. Seitz >>>>> >>>> -- >>> >>> Bryan G. Seitz >>> >> -- Best Regards, Zulfiqar Naushad
