hi all... i'm a computer science student located in cairo, egypt with a modest experience in c/c++ (wrote some bsd-style sockets and posix stuff) and designing web applications with java/php.... i've just read about harmony yesterday on slashdot and i'm just itching to be invloved... and i totally agree that there must be an effort to put newbies, like me, on the track.. i'll be more backgrouding, doin' research and pushing foreward material as much as i can, and i hope i can catch up quickly with gurus down here to code more and more.... regards, ahmed
On 5/16/05, Patrice Le Vexier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > It would be sad if the list really exponentially divide. I thing such a > big > project need a lot of people, and not only VM or compiler gurus. I think > one > of the big interest of this project is it can elevate the java knowledge > of > the community. But for that, an effort must be made to integrate new > comers > (I definitely am), by providing a good set of documentation and > references, > and may be, when it is possible, eating our own food, to avoid to create a > gap between peoples who already worked with technologies where are going > to > used, and others who not. > > Some ideas to try to achieve that: > > -providing clear documentations on all aspects we are going to work on, > -using a set of tool available on all main platforms (don't exclude > windows > people, it a J2SE, not just a server system) > -try to make it simple, even if the subject is very complicated, > > If I think meritocracy is the best thing to make good piece of software, > some effort must be made to try to integrate more possible motivated > peoples. I definitely am too ;) > > patrice > > > -----Message d'origine----- > > De : [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Envoyé : Monday, May 16, 2005 4:40 AM > > À : harmony-dev@incubator.apache.org > > Objet : Re: Java > > > > > > Mark Brooks wrote: > > >> Hey, this is an Apache project. There is no lead - we're all peers. > > > > > > > > > Then we are doomed. :) > > > > > > > That's absurd. > > > > >> But if you are looking for something to do .... how can we figure > > >> out the viability of this approach, and either park the idea as an > > >> interesting one but not appropriate for the project, or a good one > > >> that we'll keep going forward with? > > > > > > > > > I lack the requisite experience to take the lead on this. However, I > > > think we couldn't really make that determination until someone has > done > > > some high-level specifications and determined what exactly needs to be > > > done. That requires us to identify preliminary issues regarding the > > > build environment. Realistically, what is our timeframe here? If we > > > have 36 months, we might be able to achieve a lot. If somebody is > > > looking for something in the next 12 months, the project might have to > > > be scaled back. > > > > > > > Wow... So I'm guessing you've never worked on an open source project. > > Welcome. Take a look around, you'll find many projects are governed > > this way and accomplish great things without traditional project > > management per se. > > > > > > > Exactly what IS Harmony? If the goal is an Apache-licensed J2SE 5.0 > > > implementation, then we have two parts (1) the VM and (2) the class > > > library. Our requirements tool is the TCK -- but somebody still needs > > > to reduce that to a series of requirements and specifications so we > can > > > target what needs to be done and estimate how long it will take to do. > > > > > > > So stop complaining and start doing it. There are no appointed leaders, > > that is not to say there are no leaders. Good leaders take action, set > > an example and then others choose to follow. The TCK is not our > > requirements tool per se. Open specifications are our first and > > foremost tools. There is a reason for this, the TCK is governed my > > nondisclosure agreements that will only make it open to key contributors > > most likely Apache members. However, plenty of information is out there > > that will allow everyone qualified to contribute. how will we filter > > the qualfied? Frankly the population of this list will exponentially > > divide once real coding starts :-) > > > > -Andy > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from > McAfee? > > > Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 > > > > > > > > > -- > > Andrew C. Oliver > > SuperLink Software, Inc. > > > > Java to Excel using POI > > http://www.superlinksoftware.com/services/poi > > Commercial support including features added/implemented, bugs fixed. > >
