Shalom safranim I forwarded the 'tough Talmudic query' to American Rabbi Levi Silman living in Cape Town. Below are his responses.
Hope it is of some assistance. G'mar Hatimah tovah to all. Veronica Belling Cape Town ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Levi Silman <[email protected]> Date: Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 1:34 PM Subject: Fwd: [ha-Safran] FW: Tough Question To: Veronica Belling <[email protected]> BH HI Veronica, See this as well: http://digitalcommons.tourolaw.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1140&context=scholarlyworks Gmar Chatima Tova ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Levi Silman <[email protected]> Date: Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 1:29 PM Subject: Re: [ha-Safran] FW: Tough Question To: Veronica Belling <[email protected]> BH Hi, I am still looking for an answer to the question, but see this and let me know if it helps. http://www.jlaw.com/Articles/NaziMedEx.html Levi On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 5:35 PM, Veronica Belling < [email protected]> wrote: > Hi Levi > > This explanation came through from a librarian at the Library of Congress > regarding American law. Thought you might want to see it. It is too > complicated for me but it might shed some light on the subject for you. > > Veronica > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Kuperman, Aaron <[email protected]> > Date: Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 3:56 PM > Subject: Re: [ha-Safran] FW: Tough Question > To: Etta Gold <[email protected]>, "[email protected]" < > [email protected]> > > > The "exclusionary rule" is that if the government (i.e. the police, public > prosecutor, etc.) obtains the evidence illegally, the evidence is > inadmissable. Under traditional Jewish law (not to mention under the > Anglo-American common law until about 200 years ago), prosecutions were > brought by the victim, not the government (Roman law systems had an > entirely different mode of handling criminal prosecutions). Until > recently, there were no police (the Romans, again, were an exception), and > no public prosecutors for most non-political crimes (and there only on the > theory that the "king" was the victim of a political crime, such as > treason). American constitutional rights restrict the government, not the > people, and the victim is "people". If the victim engaged in nefarious > practices to get evidence, even today under American law, that evidence is > admissable (though it might be considered unreliable, but that's under a > different theory).**** > > ** ** > > A different type of "exclusionary rule" exists for criminal confessions, > and in this area, American law partially looked to Jewish law in partially > rejecting common law traditions, but that's not an issue of constitutional > rights per se.**** > > ** ** > > Aaron**** > > ** ** > > Aaron Kuperman, LC Law Cataloging Section. **** > > This is not an official communication from my employer**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > *From:* [email protected] [mailto: > [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Etta Gold > *Sent:* Saturday, September 07, 2013 2:27 PM > *To:* [email protected] > > *Subject:* [ha-Safran] FW: Tough Question**** > > ** ** > > A patron is looking for any references to the following:**** > > **** > > A distinctive feature of American criminal procedure is the so-called > "exclusionary rule:" the rule pursuant to which evidence cannot be used in > court if it was obtained through violation of the constitutional rights of > the person against whom it's offered. **** > > Would anyone know if there are any antecedents for this concept in > Jewish/Talmudic law? **** > > ** ** > > Any thoughts? Thanks very much.**** > > ** ** > > [image: Description: Description: TBA_logo_BLK]**** > > Etta Gold **** > > Library Director**** > > *The Richard and Janet Yulman Campus*** > > 5950 N. Kendall Drive, Pinecrest, FL 33156 > > 786.264.6543 Direct**** > > > 305.667.6667 ext. 128 (W) |305.662.8619 (F) |[email protected] > |www.tbam.org/library > > <https://www.facebook.com/BethAmMiami> > <http://www.youtube.com/user/TempleBethAmTV> > <http://www.flickr.com/photos/templebetham/collections/> > > <http://jewishmiami.org/cjl/home/>**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > __ > Messages and opinions expressed on Hasafran are those of the individual > author > and are not necessarily endorsed by the Association of Jewish Libraries > (AJL) > ================================== > Submissions for Ha-Safran, send to: > [email protected] > To join Ha-Safran, update or change your subscription, etc. - click here: > https://lists.service.ohio-state.edu/mailman/listinfo/hasafran > Questions, problems, complaints, compliments send to: [email protected] > Ha-Safran Archives: > Current: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/hasafran%40lists.service.ohio-state.edu/maillist.html > Earlier Listserver: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/hasafran%40lists.acs.ohio-state.edu/maillist.html > AJL HomePage http://www.JewishLibraries.org > -- > Hasafran mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.service.ohio-state.edu/mailman/listinfo/hasafran > > > > > -- > Veronica Belling > +27 (0)21 434 3216 > +27 (0)72 199 2048 > -- Levi Silman 27 (0) 72 742 2009 27 (0) 21 433 1070 -- Levi Silman 27 (0) 72 742 2009 27 (0) 21 433 1070 -- Veronica Belling +27 (0)21 434 3216 +27 (0)72 199 2048
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