A good compromise might be opa (not used it myself, but I've been reading up on it as a possible candidate for any personal web projects I might want to do). It is not haskell, but it is ML-derived, and specifically for webapps. It has some example apps available, though nothing near the volume of apps rails or django would have.
martin On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 6:17 PM, Haisheng Wu <fre...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Turns out that those guys doing start-up with Haskell are already expert at > Haskell. > Hence choosing Haskell is more straightforward. > > I'm thinking of using Haskell since it looks cool and beautiful. > However I have little experience and will move slowly at certain begging > period. > This sounds not good to a startup company. > > Comparing with Django in Python, Rails in Ruby, yesod and snap looks not > that mature. > Also, for instance, I'd like to build up a CRM application company, I > could leverage some open source projects in other languages. In Haskell, we > need to build from scratch basically. > > Appreciate your suggestions/comments. > > -Simon > > > > On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 2:30 AM, David Pollak > <feeder.of.the.be...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 2:36 PM, Yves Parès <limestr...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> > Haskell is a mature platform that provides lots of goodies that I might >>> > otherwise have to write (like the goodies I wrote in Lift including an >>> > Actors library) >>> >>> I don't get it: Actors are at the core of Scala concurrency model, >> >> >> Actors as implemented in the Scala distribution were (and probably still >> are) horrid. They have poor performance, memory retention issues, and an >> overall poor design. When Lift relied on Scala's Actors, a Lift-comet site >> needed to be restarted every few weeks because of pent-up memory issues. On >> the other hand, with Lift Actors, http://demo.liftweb.net has been running >> since July 7th. >> >>> >>> and are expanded for distributed programming through Akka for instance. >> >> >> Actually, no. Scala's Actors are not expanded by Akka (although Akka >> Actors may replace the existing Actor implementation in the Scala library). >> Akka is yet another replacement for Scala's Actor library and Akka's >> distributed capabilities are weak and brittle. Also, Lift's Actor library >> and Martin Odersky's flames about it paved the way for Akka because I took >> the heat that might have driven Jonas out of the Scala community when Akka >> was a small project. >> >>> >>> To me it'd be the other way around: you'd have to develop Actors in >>> Haskell, don't you? >> >> >> I've come to understand that Actors are a weak concurrency/distribution >> paradigm. Anything that has a type signature Any => Unit is not composable >> and will lead to the same kinds of issues that we're looking for the >> compiler in Haskell to help us with (put another way, if you like Smalltalk >> and Ruby, then Actors seem pretty cool.) >> >> On the other hand, many of Haskell's libraries (STM, Iteratees, etc.) have >> a much more composable set of concurrency primitives. >> >>> >>> Or maybe you don't mean the same thing by 'Actor'? >>> >>> >>> 2011/12/19 David Pollak <feeder.of.the.be...@gmail.com> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 2:04 AM, Ivan Perez >>>> <ivanperezdoming...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I'm actually trying to make a list of companies and people using >>>>> Haskell >>>>> for for-profit real world software development. >>>>> >>>>> I'd like to know the names of those startups, if possible. >>>> >>>> >>>> I am building http://visi.pro on Haskell. I am doing it for a number of >>>> reasons: >>>> >>>> Haskell is a mature platform that provides lots of goodies that I might >>>> otherwise have to write (like the goodies I wrote in Lift including an >>>> Actors library) >>>> Haskell allows a lot of nice "things" that make building a language and >>>> associated tools easier (like laziness) >>>> Haskell is a filter for team members. Just like Foursquare uses Scala as >>>> a filter for candidates in recruiting, I'm using Haskell as a filter... if >>>> you have some good Haskell open source code, it's a way to indicate to me >>>> that you're a strong developer. >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- Ivan >>>>> >>>>> On 18 December 2011 18:42, Michael Snoyman <mich...@snoyman.com> wrote: >>>>> > On Sun, Dec 18, 2011 at 6:57 PM, Gracjan Polak >>>>> > <gracjanpo...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Hi all, >>>>> >> >>>>> >> The question 'How hard is it to start a technical startup with >>>>> >> Haskell?' >>>>> >> happened a couple of times on this list. Sometimes it was in the >>>>> >> form 'How hard >>>>> >> is to find Haskell programmers?' or 'Are there any Haskell jobs?'. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> I'd like to provide one data point as an answer: >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> http://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/ngbbp/haskell_only_esigning_startup_closes_second_angel/ >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Full disclosure: I'm one of two that founded this startup. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> How are others doing businesses using Haskell doing these days? >>>>> > >>>>> > I don't run a startup myself, but I know of at least three startups >>>>> > using Haskell for web development (through Yesod), and my company is >>>>> > basing its new web products on Yesod as well. I think there are >>>>> > plenty >>>>> > of highly qualified Haskell programmers out there, especially if >>>>> > you're willing to let someone work remotely. >>>>> > >>>>> > Michael >>>>> > >>>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>>> > Haskell-Cafe mailing list >>>>> > Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org >>>>> > http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Haskell-Cafe mailing list >>>>> Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org >>>>> http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Visi.Pro, Cloud Computing for the Rest of Us http://visi.pro >>>> Lift, the simply functional web framework http://liftweb.net >>>> Follow me: http://twitter.com/dpp >>>> Blog: http://goodstuff.im >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Haskell-Cafe mailing list >>>> Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org >>>> http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe >>>> >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Visi.Pro, Cloud Computing for the Rest of Us http://visi.pro >> Lift, the simply functional web framework http://liftweb.net >> Follow me: http://twitter.com/dpp >> Blog: http://goodstuff.im >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Haskell-Cafe mailing list >> Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org >> http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Haskell-Cafe mailing list > Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org > http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe > _______________________________________________ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe