-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Al Falloon wrote: > Taillefer, Troy (EXP) wrote: >> Java sense (i.e. "cut out any feature that can't be understood in five >> minutes by a chimp") >> >> Got to love comments like this they are constructive, objective, >> mature and accurate. >> >> Glad we have your expert opinion to give us the gospel. >> >> Can I get an amen? How about a Hallelujah ? > > Admittedly, this is phrased in an inflammatory manner, however, the > original sentiment is actually pointing out an advantage of Java over > Haskell. Here is the original paragraph in context: > > Sebastian Sylvan wrote: >> I can sometimes feel that Haskell looses out on not being user >> friendly in the Java sense (i.e. "cut out any feature that can't be >> understood in five minutes by a chimp"). Some things do take some >> effort to learn, but there is a huge payoff for it (it's really >> powerful!). But yeah, there might be plenty of folks who will never >> bother learning about them, and they won't understand your code. > > IOW: Java's advanced features are separable from its basic features. > I.e. you can teach Java without teaching generics or anonymous inner > classes. In Haskell, OTOH, you can't even learn how to do IO without > learning Monads, or at least glossing over oddities like a new syntax. > And thats not even getting into issues like statelessness and lazy > evaluation.
however, you cannot even print a message without learning a few things about classes. C++ is even worse in this aspect though, using both classes and operator overloading for a hello world. I think the haskell first learning step is quite acceptable if you manage to get the syntax right (beginners tend to mess up indentation rules for do etc) > > So for a new user, Java is the better language. You can get into its > features slowly and as you see the need for them. Haskell requires you > to learn a number of mind-bending concepts right up front. Java has a > gentle learning curve and Haskell has a vertical jump. > > But, Sebastian is right. The leap is worth it. Its the same as what > someone once said about LISP: even if you never get to use Haskell > regularly, you will be a better programmer when you finally "get it". > > _______________________________________________ > Haskell mailing list > Haskell@haskell.org > http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell - -- - -- - ------------------------------------------------ Johan Henriksson aka Mahogny aka Stålis [EMAIL PROTECTED] / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSc Engineering PhD student, Karolinska Institutet http://www.areta.org http://www.mtek.chalmers.se/~johen/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGMnr9TMgAX9vPlc4RAhqNAJ9lKF+nlEvLJ/vWcQcOSitV1ffnLwCfYl5T tpNKzvDIN+S7XW3ifAl5Ik8= =UvYY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ Haskell mailing list Haskell@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell
